steve janger and all the other founders. tom gerard is another one. he passed away but he was working with metromedia broadcasting at the white house. he is the guy who introduced brian lamb and steep janger -- steven janger. \ he was the early founder. without those visionaries, that applies to brian lamb and steve janger and gerard. >> you should tell the story about the camel. >> cspan had just gone there and they were showing only what was going on in the house of representatives. >> with cameras on by the house. >> right did not on cameras and they cannot have anything else on the air. steve janger , founder and former ceo, went to bryant and asked about getting cameras. closeup bought the first cameras for cspan. back. our television programming. that was in december of 1979. from there, it just built and the relationship got stronger. it evolves over time. >> i was working at a get washington bureau in the 1980's and whenever close-up brought this from our market, we were on capitol hill meeting with members. sometimes we could get a story abou