what was it like growing up in afton, wyoming. afton is what, a couple of hundred people? town is less than 2,000 people. 500 people and th the total community is around 5,000, it's in the middle of the rocky mountains. it's short summers, long winters and i learned a lot of respect, i learned a lot of discipline. we grew up on the 160 acre dairy farm. we learned thousand change pop and i was called the gopher. >> tim: are all of your brothers big like you? >> the older -- my sisters are strong too. you know, i hate to say that, but the brothers we were all, yokn lyoat, statight arounddoun. my dda was aot big man, not a large man, but he had the physical size. then the other brothers -- one is bigger than me. he's 6'3" he is bigger and stronger than me than i was growing up. and through the years of the olympics i became stronger than him. >> tim: farming being the way it is now, just the thought struck me that there are very few people in this country who have had that type of lifestyle growing up anymore. >> it has changed a lot. you know, you look at the corporate farms

. >> now i make sure it at this question because i afton of chief justice roberts and justice alito when they were before this committee. as you know, in death penalty cases it takes five justices to stay in execution but only four to grant certiorari to hear a case. you can grant certiorari the ury case but the execution is not state becomes a moot point in the person can be executed him between. so usually if there are four justices when we hear a case, somebody agrees to the fifth vote to stay in execution just as a matter of courtesy, so the cert does not become moot and the person is not executed in the few weeks that might be in granting the cert in the hearing of the case. both chief justice roberts and justice alito agreed that this was, this rule was sensible, the rule of five and a courtesy fifth. it appears, according to a study done by "the new york times" that very reasonable rule and the rule that both chief justice roberts and justice alito said was very reasonable and the majority of us on the committee thought reasonable. they said that, they suggested the rule has not b