i want to bring in chrystia freeland who is joining me for the hour. i'm among those who think that sarah palin has a meaningful future going forward. she will make significant amount of money via the book, radio, tv, speeches, et cetera. and i think that it's not in a world in which mike huckabee, who very few people knew prior to running for president could win the iowa caucuses, right? it's not amazing she could win a few presidential contests. >> i agree with you. i think sarah palin is an attractive political figure whatever you think of her politics. i think she could tap into something that is important for the republican party. and that is this sort of populist working class, probably anger and frustration at where america is and if we see a jobless economic recovery returning to our earlier theme, people in that sort of a life situation are going to be really frustrated. someone like sarah palin, i think, speaks to them more effectively than any of the other prominent republicans. >> that is interesting to me. the notion -- you know, we talked

. >> i di do agree very much with chrystia's point that this is in my view a strife contest between modernizers and outreachers or

new york university, a russian scholar, chrystia freeland of the "financial times", claire shipman of abc news and thomas pickering, the leading american diplomat and former u.s. ambassador to russia and undersecretary of state for political affairs. >> we expanded nato, we left the a.b.m. treaty, russia helped us win the ground war in afghanistan more than any other country in 2001 and 2002 and we gave them nothing, we just expanded nato and withdrew from the treaty and the political class looked at him and said "fool. weakling. we look like pushovers, we give; they take." that's why... that's the real issue of what happened and is happening in moscow. >> i think the big choice for russia still is the choice that it faced in '89, '91, '96, 2000, which is between democracy and pluralism and authoritarianism. and i absolutely do not see how appeasing, placating this sort of neo-imperialistic mood which

chrystia uses the word "appeasement." i don't consider it to be appeasement when a nation says "we don't want military bases on our border," particularly military bases that represent a country with which we've just conducted a 40 year cold war. that's not about appeasement, it's about something else. the expansion of nato has been a catastrophic mistake in every regard. not a single country safer. let me just end by saying this. what happened last august, 2008 which we called the war between russia and georgia in that little province of georgia was also a proxy american/russian war. right on russia's borders. nothing like that happened during the cold war. two countries laid within nuclear weapons are suddenly fighting on ones border. in our history never. that's what the expansion of nato brought you. it's a bomb waiting to go off. it goes off in a small way in georgia and it can go off again. >> i di do agree very much with chrystia's point that this is in my view a strife contest between modernizers and outreachers or

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