dr. reef karim. doctor, where is the line between someone who needs the medication, someone who is suffering and needs it, and someone who is an addict? where is that line if you're suffering from something like lupus? >> yeah, your caller makes a good point. lupus being an autoimmune disease, you can have pain. it's a chronic medical illness. it really comes down to who's monitoring this. and that's why in my profession as a doctor, i mean, you have a primary doctor. that primary doctor should be the gatekeeper on, okay, these are the meds the person's taking. they should not be doctor shopping and getting meds from other doctors. we hear about, you know, these people that have like six, seven, eight doctors and 20 medications in their arsenal. >> what you're saying is the way they control it, one doctor in charge of all the other doctors. i wanted to bring back in melanie on this. melanie, do we know if michael jackson had lupus? >> yes, dr. klein said he diagnosed him with that. but michael jackso

dr. karim will be with us on another night, i'm sure, because this is never-ending.esse jackson is next. don't go away. ♪ ♪ i'll be there >> larry: all right, we go now to gary, indiana, where reverend jesse jackson is standing by. what's that scene been like, jesse? >> this is phenomenal, you know. in hollywood, we saw the lionel richies and jennifer hudsons, the stevie wonders. here now is the raw brothers. here are the abcs, here's where it all began. 11 people, nine of them living in a four-room house on jackson street. and that was his first platform to learn the dance, to sing, a father, two jobs, a disciplinarian, a mama who was a seamstress. this is the origin of this great family. >> larry: what's the reaction of the people of gary toward him? >> they feel so proud of the fact that he came from here. but they also talk so much about the jackson family and its values. you know, when you think about 11 people living in four rooms, six boys in bunk beds in one room with their parents and three girls in the front and then there was structure, a sense of responsi