to take songs and perhaps craft them so that the lyrics were pretension -- pren tentious -- pretensionous ondand kind of cheesy. the -- that's a challenge. and the songs remain still popular to some extent because they work. tavis: while we're being serious for half a second doctor i promise i won't do this more than a minute -- >> i thought we were done. tavis: see what i mean? you joked about the fact that you couldn't stell -- sell is it to studios, they said rock 'n' roll movies don't make money. obviously it did ok but -- >> no, it didn't. not at first. tavis: what's, as an artist though, as actors, musical artists, help me understand how you make a decision, what the process is for you to do something to go forward with something when everybody tells you don't do this, everybody says it isn't going to work or you're wasting your time. there is something about this project you're corrected -- connected could -- to that you want to get this thing done? >> to that point there is a serious answer. four of us made this movie, rob reiner and the three of us and there were points prior to it b