healthcare in this country, i mean, the mostndustrialized, the most in many ways technologically stable country in the world and we can't provide affordable healhcare to people i think it's absurd. >> it is absurd. and the president -- how many times have you visited the president at the white house since -- >> i mean, we had one meeting in the oval office talking about education. he invited m of us and -- civil rights groups to the nomination when he announced for judge sotomayor. i have been there for a couple of times and i attended his speech at the naacp where he talked about the meeting we had with newt gingrich about education. >> i have a photograph from that meeting. here you are with president obama and newt gingrich. that's quite a threesome there. are you friendly with newt? >> it's funny, newt and i don't disagree with much, we probably won't agree that i was on your show tonight. but we do agree that the education gap in this country must be dealt with. >> he wants it to get wider? >> no. he wants to increase the level of educational opportunity. he wants to be -- to deal