mr. parsons and mr.. >> i have to say over my years my frustration has probably led me to say i would like them to be mandatory. however ibz do recognize that not all systems it's just dcaa. i would say instead of mandatory i would like there to be an accountability when dcaa's findings are ignored or appeared to be ignored. and i think the purchasing system is that example. and it is certainly -- knocks the wind out of here when you hear a week is spent when your own people have spent thousands of hours reviewing a system testing transactions and found over time there to be a significant amount of costs that were overcharged to the government. that's my concern at the end of the day. i along with commissioner -- this is for the soldiers that we're protecting. money that can be better spent for the soldiers. so i would like there to be a better accountability. >> all right. i want to give mr. ricci and mr. parsons an opportunity to comment on that. i think it's only fair. mr. ricci? >> again, we're respo

mr. parsons and mr. >> i have to say over my years my frustration has probably led me to say i would like them to be mandatory. however ibz do recognize that not all systems it's just dcaa. i would say instead of mandatory i would like there to be an accountability when dcaa's findings are ignored or appeared to be ignored. and i think the purchasing system is that example. and it is certainly -- knocks the wind out of here when you hear a week is spent when your own people have spent thousands of hours reviewing a system testing transactions and found over time there to be a significant amount of costs that were overcharged to the government. that's my concern at the end of the day. i along with commissioner -- this is for the soldiers that we're protecting. money that can be better spent for the soldiers. so i would like there to be a better accountability. >> all right. i want to give mr. ricci and mr. parsons an opportunity to comment on that. i think it's only fair. mr. ricci? >> again, we're respon

mr. parsons and mr. ricci. >> i have have to say over the years has led me sato say i would like them to be murder however not all systems is just dcca -- dcaa, i would say i would like there to be accountability when dcaa's findings are ignored or appear to be ignored and i think the purchasing system is that example. and it is certainly knocks the wind out of you when you hear a week is spent when your own people have spent thousands of hours reviewing a system testing transactions and found over time there to be a significant amount of costs that were overcharged to the government. that's my concern at the end endof the day. along with commissioner zakheim, this is for the soldiers that we're protecting, money that can be better spent for the soldiers so i would like there to be better accountability. >> i want to give mr. ricci and mr. parsons an opportunity to comment. mr. ricci? >> again, we're responsible for dispositioning all audit findings from reportable audits and the contract audit follow-up

mr. parsons, i'm very grateful that you reminded me of that and so we will start with you.ything you would like to put on the record before we go to the next panel? >> yesterday are a couple of things. first of all, and just reflecting back on the morning here where there appear to be quite a bit of division between the panel members. i would like us to walk away feeling that we really do want to work together and look at the future and how we make improvements. and i am committed and continue to follow through with april with me in her and meet with the dcaa to talk about these important issues, not only the contractor business systems, but also with a task orders under logcap iv. i can tell you that mr. laurel, who is my director of contracts out of rock island, contracting center has met and has discussed these business system issues with his counterpart in each of the companies. is the intent of myself and mr. harrington, who's the deputy deputy assistant secretary of army procurement to meet with each of these contractors to discuss the importance of these business sys

mr. parsons, we have got indications that certain historical records, project files, data, etc. may not have been passed on to the new contractor. when transition planning was accomplished by the army, what steps were taken to ensure that the transition of people and data, who were made efficiently and effectively, the successful contractor? >> i will have to get back to you on the exact details but i do know the transition plans were proposed, were evaluated by the program office including our offices in afghanistan, they were reviewed to see if they were adequate and there was oversight provided during the transition peace by the office. you probably had that discussion with the details. probably much more than we had thought of originally which is incorporated into the afghanistan question. i am sure that will happen as we go to iraq. >> there are some things that have fallen through the cracks in the oversight of that. last question, let me direct it to director stevenson, since you were the only one who seemed willing to support the proposal for and oversight group for at l

mr. parsons, i am really impressed when you mentioned that harrington. and i am pleased that we are able to draw in that kind of talent and that kind of background in this critical area. so good luck, good fortune to all of you and thanks. >> take you all very much. and we will go to now our second panel. our second panel is bill ballhaus, president and ceo of dyncorp, david masson, executive director of compliance fluor government group. though walter and why do you stay skinny because then we will swear you in and take care of that what you are standing. and by the way, if there is anyone else in your company that maybe, you might turn to answer a question, we would ask that they stand up so we don't have to swear in someone a second time. so stay standing if you would. is there anyone in your companies that you might want to respond to questions? we don't have to take their name now but if you want them to -- okay. so raising your right hand, do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you will give before this subcommittee will be the truth, t