so he is tying in a demonstrator, an obama demonstrator with timothy mcveigh. is that valid? >> no. me start out, though, bill, by offending half of the people watching us right now. if they think that the -- the ones that think that anything goes at town hall meetings. i want people to understand i am against the: who shout down speakers they disagree with. i am against people who bring guns to town hall meetings. i am against comparing barack obama to adolf hitler or his health care policies to fascism, as several people on this network routinely do. and i am against a general philosophy which made sense when thomas jefferson said it that says that we have to have blood in the streets, basically, and kill off the tyrants. having said that, the man at the town hall meeting or outside the town hall meeting in new hampshire is not in the same moral universe as timothy mcveigh. there is not an ounce of moral equivalence, whether david gregory meant there to be or not, between an angry but peaceful protester, even one with a gun on his leg, and a psychopathic killer. so david gregory h

when we asked him about convicted oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh, mr. hancock told us, quote, i don't know which role he played. i know he got blamed. so when a dozen people openly display firearms near the president, again, not police officers, not secret service officers, but citizens, and they're organized by someone with this kind of background, what's the next thing that we talk about in our political discussion in this country? joining us now is the "new york times" columnist frank rich. his most recent piece on sunday gives some historical context to the gun toting protestors showing up at these town hall events. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> in your column this weekend you talked about similarities between the political climate today and the political climate in the early '60s, of course, with looming large in that political climate the assassination of john kennedy in 1963. were you intending to make that explicit allegory because you're worried about assassination attempts? >> the truth is i've been worried for sometime even before t

that is the very mixture used by timothy mcveigh to blow up the murrah building in 1985. >> this earnestck is libertarian, antigovernment, antitax, pro-gun. he says waco was a fake and that the government lied about 9/11. when you hear those things, is there a profile in your head, and what can you share with us about that? >> well, i mean, he's right out of the militia world. that is a core belief of militiamen that waco was an example of the government crushing politically heterodox people. you know, the theory is that those people, the davidians, you know, liked guns a lot and had a strange religion. therefore, the government was willing to murder them. i should say, rick that i covered from beginning to end the first day to the last as a reporter the waco siege, and that is simply false. it's a lie. it's a conspiracy theory that is based on absolutely nothing, the idea that federal agents, you know, murdered people in that building is simply ludicrous. >> one final question. how is it -- or forget the how -- is it something that you've seen a pattern of where some of these people are

we'll set at 819 timothy mcveigh. right now 74 in york. 77 in downtown. still 81 out in hagerstown.nd 82 in the ocean city area out on the boardwalk. dover right now at 76. 77 in atlantic city. our satellite picture throughout the day. well we had some morning clouds. they gave way to lots of sunshine during the day today. a few light scattered showers. but the heaviest rainfall was back to the west of us. watch this system right here. this was a lot of heavy rain right there. but watch this system as it makes its way through the river city, louisville, kentucky with just huge amounts of rain in a very short period of time. this is what it looked like in louisville, kentucky today. we already showed you some of the action that they were having. unbelievable amounts of rainfall in an extremely short period of time, just turned roadways into rivers. almost instantaneously. the downtown -- well, there is downtown louisville. can you imagine that? downtown baltimore? just boom, all at once. those folks are having some real problems. well, as far as what is going to be going on over the

there was a lot of quoting of thomas jefferson, and in fact, timothy mcveigh used the exact phrase.the professional fear monger. those are some of the charges that i found against you. what do you say to those people? >>ç that is hogwash. people will have to look around and decide whether what we are saying makes sense. one thing i would point out is there are a great number of law enforcement agencies both federal, state, and local -- all three -- who are reporting very similar activities. we quoted a high-ranking law enforcement official in the report who talks about the idea that in 10 years we have never seen this amount of activity, and it seems to be rising from a spark. i think that is a sober and accurate assessment of what is going on right now. rick: thank you for joining us. jane: police in california have arrested a suspect inç a bizare double murder. that daniel burton -- nathanieéç burton killed one woman and one man. the woman in the case and the suspect shared a house, and neighbors say they were having financial problems. two men rushed to the hospital after their

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. >>> police have released the timothy mcveigh a man killed by two pit bulls on monday. he is 20-year-old carter delaney. autopsy volts show the dogs bit him repeatedly including a fatal bite to the neck. -- autopsy results show the dogs bit him repeatedly including a fatal bite to the neck. >>> check out this video. a hiker fell and broke his ankle near shenandoah national park yesterday. he was alone but did have a cell phone and called for help. a rescue team came to help him. >>> this morning, the world is remembering the life and legacy of eunice kennedy shriver. >> the sister of president john f. knedy and senator ted kennedy passed away yesterday morning at a hospital in cape c. statements have been pouring inc from around the world in remembrance including from president obama. shriver's legacy goes far beyond a life of pricks. she changed the lives of generations of disabled people by creating the special olympics. >> she opened doors for us. if it weren't for sure, a lot of us might be in institutions and we might not even be able to have jobs. >> she is the pe

he has compared us to timothy mcveigh.f you want to call us not seas, let's look at national socialism -- us nazis, let's look at national socialism. it is very much what we see in this administration. it is the same economic and political policy. if they want to talk about nazis, they may find that the swastika is on their own arm. sean: you obviously had the crowd behind you. he did not give a full apology for that statement. i did not hear him say that i am sorry for using that term. did you find his so-called apology acceptable to you? >> it was more of a political dance. i do not know if it was an irish jig or a waltz. he avoided the words. he did not want to admit to saying it. as my representative, you should be able to stand up there and admit what you said. if you believe you did something wrong, admit it. you work for us, we do not work for you. sean: we seem to forget the term public servants. her monologue is a great reminder of that. we have an investigative report coming up later in the program. the story bro

timothy mcveigh sympathizers? nazi sympathizers but should they shut up as obama said?pathizers? >> yes, they are. i was afraid of being shanked. go to a liberal gathering, like woodstock. at least they left the place cleaner than they founded. sean: the democratic -- cleaner than they found it. sean: what do you think. now that they are being attacked, what do they say to you? -- what do you think? >> they are trying to paint them as an remasters. i think in 2010, they want to say it -- they're trying to paint them as angry mobsters. sean: "the patriot" is one of the greatest movies. we always appreciate it. my voice is a bill that shot. we were in san diego, las vegas, -- my voice is an a little bit shot. i want to send out a special thank you. jon voight, rich a little, billy

timothy mcveigh ross here with your sports breakfast. for the skins, friday night is a big night. be a test against the patriots wind chill all due respect to hypothermia edwards, it is not necessarily to win the game but rather just to show some improvement from the first team offense. here what is happened against the steelers last week. you may recall, got inside the five yard line, second atwo and lidell bets gets about a yard. jim zorn goes back to the playbook. coach,is it imperative that your guys score it week? >> very imperative. if you asked my the first week, had we not pyed a game, i would have given you the same swear. it is not like i'm stressing over not getting in the end zone. yet, that is what our goals are every time we put our offense on the ball. >> my only goal is to get out there and get something going. scoring is the goal you have every time you go out. that would be nice. whatever the outcome is, that is all i want to do. >> the defense ranked fourth last year, this year boasts the additions of albert haynesworth and brian arachpo. >> we are just going yo

rush, they tried to go after you with timothy mcveigh, and tried to enact all of these things. is it different now? are you at all fearful or do you have any fear that these things will come to pass? >> well, i do, and i take it seriously that they're going to try, but you know, glenn, they have tried a number of things with me over the years. you mentioned mcveigh. they tried to blame me, clinton did, for the oklahoma city bombing, and they have routinely gone after me, but they haven't been able to shake anything away, and the reason is the credibility i have with my audience and the audience continues to grow despite all the new conservative shows on radio and television, and all of us in conservative media have that bond with our audience, and the effort to discredit us is always going to fail. it will always fail as long as we remain true to who we are rand don't disappoint our audiences in any way in terms of substance and being serious about what we really believe, so i'm confident that this can be beaten back. if i weren't, you know what, glenn? i'd pack it all in and s

they have awakened a sleeping giant, but just one lunatic, like timothy mcveigh could ruin everythingt everyone has worked so hard for, because these people in washington won't pass up the use of an emergency. look how the media ran with the abortion doctor killing. they tried to pin that act on fox in general and specifically bill o'reilly and me! the only thing either of us have ever said is that there's no reason for that, ever. i don't want to ever hear from our own americans, anyone, voicing some sort of muslim extremist-type justification as we heard in the circles after 9/11. well, i could see how they felt they had to do it, of course i don't agree. absolutely not. there is no excuse for violence. our founders sailed across the ocean, battled killer storms, smallpox. they vomited for three months on a tiny little wooden ship with a bed sheet for a sail just to get a grievance before the king. they did that for 20 long years. what have we done? oh, i sent an e-mail. they made a phone call. they won't listen to me anymore. so the next logical progression is e-mail and a letter t

rush, they tried to go after you with timothy mcveigh, and tried to enact all of these things. is it different now? are you at all fearful or do you have any fear that these things will come to pass? >> well, i do, and i take it seriously that they're going to try, but you know, glenn, they have tried a number of things with me over the years. you mentioned mcveigh. they tried to blame me, clinton did, for the oklahoma city bombing, and they have routinely gone after me, but they haven't been able to shake anything away, and the reason is the credibility i have with my audience and the audience continues to grow despite all the new conservative shows on radio and television, and all of us in conservative media have that bond with our audience, and the effort to discredit us is always going to fail. it will always fail as long as we remain true to who we are rand don't disappoint our audiences in any way in terms of substance and being serious about what we really believe, so i'm confident that this can be beaten back. if i weren't, you know what, glenn? i'd pack it all in and s

>> imagine if you were the neighbor and he put on a giant party for timothy mcveigh. from him. >> as the neighborhood feels about it. >> all of us who watched this stomach turning spectacle of the lockerbie bomber being lauded in tripoli. we have seen gadhafi's true colors. we want eveere hoping that ther this amel yore ration. >> what do you want the president to do about this? deny the visa? this would play in the wheel house into the secretary of state hillary clinton. >> this is a leader of the free world, and this is a terrorist. there has to be some price that gadhafi pays for the spectacle he puts on. would anyone want a small army of libyan intelligence officials being right next door to them? they cut down my trees because they want to peer into my property -- i'm a peace loving guy. i'm a property loving guy. they cut down trees on your property that you pay taxes on? >> that's correct. and they don't pay any taxes. >> how do they get away with that? where is the governor? >> i'm going to have to sue them to extract every last penny so libyan money is put to

timothy mcveigh believed that. it goes way back to the mccarthy days, seeing a communist agent behind every tree. that dwight eisenhower was a come mist agent. it goes further back even to the days of george washington and john adams and thomas jefferson where people were saying they were all sorts of conspiracies -- >> but are they more powerful now because of the internet and in one second you can get millions of people reacting to or thinking their information is accurate? >> certainly the internet helps spread these things quickly through e-mail chains during the campaign we saw was a major way to spread all sorts of disinformation about candidates. but the internet can also be extremely using in debunking it. anybody who searches obama birth certificate will also turn up obama's own site, fight the smears. >> how does the birth movement continue? >> decouple this entirely from facts. this has nothing to do with facts. this is about a certain mindset. on the far right we've seen it for decades and decades. you

he made a reference to timothy mcveigh and in a phone interview he used the words brown shirts.cy pelosi talked about swastikas. i think she is referring to one sign on a rally where a red line was through a swastika saying we don't want socialized, whatever. i think their response to the critics, it's fueling the critics here. >> well, in some ways it is. but, remember, it's not about the people who are actually at the meetings. the people who go to the meetings, protesting, their strategy is to get media attention. this is really political fever. laura: they care, right? you are not saying they don't care. a lot of these people are over 65. when obama's group organizing for america and the sciu get their big groups in florida last night or in michigan, i mean, they are organizing people. so what if people on the internet show up at these town hall meetings? what's good for the goose is good for the gander. >> right. so both sides right now are taking it to the streets. that's what we are seeing this august. american politics taken to the street. laura: i love it. >> in ways we

i do agree with you, dylan, that if timothy mcveigh or charlie manson or any other mass murderer wereate release, there would be a huge uproar in this country because we just don't have that sort of thing here. >> i just have to tell you that was one of the things i found merciful and kind than american people, and that's why, you know, they can -- they believe in compassionate release. whereas you americans are tough. we would believe in the rule of law. >> how do you think your office would be different, how would you feel differently had he stayed in prison and died in the scottish prison. >> that justice had been served. he didn't have to kill 270 innocent people. and he was sentenced. and the sentence was brought downtime and time again. he had appeal upon appeal. the trial went on for years. i mean, it was out. it was there forever. the evidence was overwhelming. so this man, deserved to stay in prison and serve out his sentence. that was what was the agreement when it was decided what the verdict would be. >> the missing statistic from our conversation -- and quite honestly sha

as we noted last night just for context when timothy mcveigh was arrested after the oklahoma city bombing in 1995 he was wearing a t-shirt that had on the front of it a picture of assassinated president abraham lincoln with the words sic semper tyrannis the words shouted by lincoln's assassin after he shotd him. on the back of mcveigh's t-shirt were the same words as were on the sign yesterday. you can see the sign and what tim mcveigh picked out special to see when he got his mugshot taken for having blown up a federal building and killing 168 americans. at the same event for president obama in portsmouth, new hampshire yesterday a 62-year-old man named richard terry young was arrested after sneaking past security officials and into portsmouth high school just a few hours before president obama was due to arrive. mr. young was allegedly carrying a knife when security officers found him and when they got a warrant and searched his pickup truck, they found a .38 caliber semiautomatic pistol hidden inside a bag in his truck with a round in the chamber. today at a town hall event for democra

being quoted by the guy with the gun, at the event as which the president was speaking, when timothy mcveigh was arrested 90 minutes after the oklahoma city bombing, he was wearing a t-shirt with that slogan and a picture of abraham lincoln on the front and a tree dripping with blood in the back. and so is the atmosphere surrounding town hall meetings this august. and so it was when president obama took questions from his constituents. 70% of whom were chosen in a random, online lottery. the questions were not prescreened. >> before i start taking questions, let me just say, there's been a long and vigorous debate about this, and that's how it should be. now, that's what america is about. is we have a vigorous debate. that's why we have a democracy. but i do hope that we will talk with each other and not over each other. where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that's actually been proposed. because the way politics works sometimes is people who want to keep things the way they are will try to scare

his precious and well-earned gold and actually has to plead with his viewers not to become new timothy mcveighstible to you, isnt it? cave man thought of the drug addict who suddenly and joyously cares nothing about self-restraint. sober momentarily into realizing the prospective outline of the horrible shape at the horizon, soldiers wounded, shooter says she saw glenn beck tell her to rise up and fight back, awakened to the idea that words you say on television have consequences which you cannot necessarily control, you plead you almost cry for non-violence. and yet within 72 hours, the thrill again rises up in your blood and you cannot resist it. you must fantasize about murder, and by the very action of speaking you enable others to join you in this ritual of violence to overcome the enemy. whether the enemy is real or imagined or whether the enemy really isn't an enemy at all and is just your neighbor with a different point of view who wants to talk about it, wants to involve you in the decision even though it is his turn to steer and not yours and you both know some day our system will giv

of course, it's a reference to thomas jefferson's famous words worn on a t-shirt by timothy mcveigh on the day he bombed the murrah building in oklahoma city. the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. at the same event for president obama in portsmouth, new hampshire a 62-year-old man named richard terry young was arrested and charged with two misdemeanors after sneaking past security officials and into portsmouth high school a few hours before president obama was due to arrive. mr. young was found inside the school. he was allegedly carrying a knife. when officers searched his pickup truck they found a 38 caliber semiautomatic pistol hidden inside a bag with a round in the chamber. i'm sensing a theme here. one that requires some explanation. as far as i understand it, he can't even fly a small plane into the air space over the white house. in fact, the faa often bans aircraft anywhere near the president's destination when he travels outside of d.c. but it's kosher to bring your ar-15 to an event featuring the president of the unit

the day those were the very words that thomas jefferson paraphrased that were on the back of timothy mcveigh'sirt when blew up the murrah building in oklahoma city. >> what role do you think glenn beck plays in all this? open question. >> well, i think he plays a very nasty role. i mean glenn beck will tell you with great indignation that, you know, he didn't float the theory of fema concentration camps. he debunked it, but, of course, the reality is for three shows beck went out there and speculated about whether fema i] was secretly running concentration camps into which to slam good patriotic americans. you know, and then the fourth show announced to the world that he had debunked it. look, to me that is the same as positing for three television shows that the earth is flat and then announced with great aplomb at the end that, indeed, it is not flat. the reality is there are thousands and thousands of people who listen to a glenn beck and who believe that he is an authority figure and, therefore, there's probably something to it. fema really is out there setting up concentration camps to do

it was from a state in which a man named timothy mcveigh was arrested wearing one of those god damnedy shirts. mr. coburn should be impeached. our winners the texas state school board. as the new school year begins from marshall to midland it will be mandatory that all texas public schools offer information in their curriculum about the bible. a law passed two years ago for implementation this school year. there it is. mandatory religious education in the public schools for believers, unbelievers, those of other faiths, believers who believe in the separation of church and state, doesn't matter. so this request to texas. please? the state school board there in the great theocratic nation of texas today's worst person in the world. with an epa estimated 32 miles per gallon. and up to 600 miles between fill ups. it's the most fuel efficient crossover on the highway. better than honda cr-v, toyota rav4 and even the ford escape hybrid. the all new chevy equinox. express each one more with downy simple pleasures feel more calm with new downy lavender serenity feel more daring with spice bl

timothy mcveigh was arrested wearing a water the tree t-shirt. was referring not just to tyrants when he said that, but also ignorant people, referencing shea's rebel-on which was put down by the lawful government, jefferson did say the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. but one line before that he said this, too, the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. >>> let's turn now to the associate professor of politics and african-american studies of princeton university, melissa harris-lacewell. >> nice to be here. >> mr. wurzelbacher said if anybody criticized the military would have been shot back in the day. but when he is cheered, do the two synapses, do they not reach those words could be taken by somebody as an endorsement of violence? and could in fact be taken by somebody as an endorsement of violence against anyone, against him, against conservatives, against anyone? >> well, it certainly is true that political violence is not the exclusive domain of any politi

in the 1990s they were blamed for espousing the ideology for timothy mcveigh, now militias inside theorter: a posting on youtube, attributed to the ohio militia. >> listen, people, things are bad. things are real bad. it's going to get a lot worse. so basically, the people need to wake up, start buying some of these, see. >> the video is an example of how militias are making a comeback. according to a new report from the southern poverty law center. >> we're at a very worrying moment in my view. we're seeing the kind of perfect storm of factors that favors the continued growth of this movement. we're talking about, you know, non-white immigration, a black president and an economy in very dire straits. >> reporter: a homeland security professional said recent arrests in some rural areas. how dangerous are they? >> it's a number of groups, almost far too numerous to mention and regrettably so. but some of them, indeed, want to do what happened in oklahoma city. that is commit violent acts within the homeland. >> reporter: the assessment said lone wolves and small terrorist cells embraci

and congressmen that we're not a mob, mob,n azia, we have nothing in common with the likes of timothy mcveigh. we are americans, simply exercising their constitutional rights. [cheers] also, please tell your community organizing the president to get used to an organized community. and finally, i -- >> i let some other people finish their comments. we will let him. >> i am going to " a wise man, c.s. louis. of all of the tyrannies, one exercise for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. it would be better than under omnipotent, laurel busybodies. the robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep. his stupidity may at some point be in ingratiated. those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." >> mr. chair -- mr. chairman, i like to yield my time to the lady in the white stripes. go ahead. >> i think you were up. do you want to use your time? >> i thought we would do ladies first. congressman, i do appreciate this time. what a fabulous country we live and to be able to do this, i do not care which side of th

congressmen that we are not the ku klux klan, and we have nothing in common with the likes of timothy mcveigh. we are americans, simply exercising our constitutional right. [cheers and applause] also, please tell your community organizing president to get used to an organized community. [cheers and applause] and, finally, point number three, -- >> and the couple of other people finish their comments. it will only take another couple of seconds. >> i am going to quote one very wise man, 1 ncs lillis. of all of the tyrannies, the tyranny's exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. it may be better under robber barons then under, omnipotence, moral busybodies. -- ban under them. the robber barons cruelty may sometimes lead -- and under them -- than under them. but those who torment us for their own good will torment us without end, because they do so with the approval of their own conscience. [cheers and applause] >> mr. chairman? i would like to yield my time to the lady in distress here. go ahead, ma'am. >> do you want to use your time, or not? >> i do want to use my ti

your congressman that we are not a mob, not a complex clan, and we have nothing in common with timothy mcveigh. we are americans, simply exercising our constitutional rights. clap up [applause] also, please tell your community organizing president to get used to an organized community. and finally, point number three, what? >> i let other people finish their comments. it will only take a second. >> i'm going to quote cs lewis. of all the tyrannies, a tierney exercised for the good of its victims may be most effective. it would be better under robber barons then under omnipotent moral busybodies. [applause] the robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep. his stupidity may be satiated. but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without an, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. [applause] >> mr. chair, i would like to yield my time to the lady in the strikes here. go ahead. >> you are up right now. i thought we would just do ladies first? congressman, i'd do appreciate this time. what a fabulous country we live in to be able to do this. i do not care which side o

will remember, in the 1990s, these groups were blamed for espousing the ideology put in plays by timothy mcveigh things are real bad. it's going to get a lot worse. so, basically, you people need to wake up, start buying some of these, see? >> the video is an example of how militias are making a comeback according to a new report from a southern poverty center. >> we are talking about nonwhite immigration, a black president, an economy that is in very dire straits. >> a homeland security assessment in april said recent arrests indicate the emergence of small, well-armed extremist groups in some rural areas. how dangerous are they? >> it's a number of groups. almost, far too numerous to mention. regrettably so. some of them, indeed, want to do what happened in oklahoma city. that is, commit violent acts within the homeland. >> the government intelligence assessment said, lone wolves embracing violent ideology are the most dangerous terrorism threat in the united states. a leader told us members of established militia like his shouldn't be lumped in with violent extremists who talk about mounting