out to you, natisha. i was only aware of two polygraphs taken by misty croslin. >> actually, there's a total of three she's taken now. she took one by the fbi, one by the putnam county sheriff's office -- >> ah. yes. the fbi one. >> yes. and now this new one that was orchestrated by tim miller. >> and natisha, doesn't she say that she passed one of them? >> she did say that she had passed one of them. however, law enforcement will not confirm either way to us. >> so we don't know whether she passed or not? >> that's right. >> okay. i want to go to special guest joining us tonight t.j. ward. he's the president of investigative consultants international. and he's the one who administered the laird voice analysis, which we have been calling a voice stress test. welcome, mr. ward. thank you for being with us. >> hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good. mr. ward, what question you say -- that you say she failed concerns you the most? and i have a list of many of the questions right here with me. >> well, let me te

what do you know, natisha? >> well, what ronald's attorney is telling us today is they met with the florida department of law enforcement. and in that meeting they wanted to get all of ronald's phone records from about 5:00 p.m. the night before haleigh went missing up until the time haleigh was reported missing about 3:00 in the morning. now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. there's apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting "from scratch." >> we are taking your calls live. and joining us tonight also taking your calls is the mother of missing florida girl 5-year-old haleigh. also with her, the grandmother, haleigh's grandmother, crystal sheffield, marie griffiths, thank you for being with us. first to you, crystal sheffield. this is haleigh's mother. crystal, what do

natisha? okay. >> hi. >> go ahead. >> just able to hear you now. what was the question? i'm sorry. >> the fraud trial before the murder trial. a lot of us thought, nope, it has to go the other way around. >> the judge recently ruled that that fraud case will go before the murder trial. we don't know exactly when it's going to be but this is pretty significant meaning that casey anthony could potentially go into the murder trial with felony convictions already on the table. >> okay. pam bondi, help us understand this. we had legal experts come on and say murder trial has to go before the fraud trial here. >> no. i've never believed that was going to happen. >> okay. >> i totally agree with the prosecutors. here's why. when she testifies, if she testifies, the prosecutors will be allowed to ask her, have you convicted of a felony? she'll have to say, yes. how many times? she'll have to answer. then they can also say was that a crime of dishonesty? she will have to say, yes. so that's greatly going to damage her credibility if she has any when she testifies. >> okay. all ri

natisha, what happened? >> two things here, mike, that how this duct tape wrapped around caylee anthony's mouth was destroyed. one of the reasons, okay remember the heart-shaped sticker, the adhesive around -- some adhesive was on there, that adhesive that showed there was a sticker there is now gone. apparently they dusted for fingerprints, in that process, somehow that evidence was erased. they apparently did not take a picture of this, at least the fbi did not. we have not seen whether the orange county sheriff's office took any photographs of that piece of evidence. we have yet to determine that. so, that's one way. then, the other way there was apparently another analyst or technician who was there handling that duct tape somehow her dna got onto that piece of duct tape. >> wow. okay. >> yeah. >> that's startling to me. let's get a call in i think dealing with this very topic. >> i can explain how that might have happened, mike be. >> let's get our caller in. katherine, go ahead. >> caller: i was concer

. >> to natisha lance, our producer also on the story.atisha, she is talking about they love me, they love me, they're sneaking food in to me behind bars, in the jail. she gets out, and for the first day or two there's no mention of caylee. >> that's right, nancy. it's not just the first day or two. if you listen to tracy's full interview she says casey did not talk about caylee at all. she even talks about how she tried to hammer into her trying to talk about caylee and she said it became like a competition, she would bring up caylee and casey would say oh, but look at what i did. look at these things that i did on my birthday and it was always about casey rather than caylee. >> now, where does it fit in? to you, ellie jostad. where she's more concerned about her celebrity, signing autographs, appearing on the howard stern show. no offense, but this is while her daughter's allegedly missing and she's thinking about being on air with howard stern? >> yeah. apparently she thought she might be able to raise some money for her defense by sig

natisha, this goes back to duct tape.n hearing a lot about duct tape since this investigation began. explain this to us. >> that's right. all about the duct tape. and as you remember, richelle, there was duct tape found around caylee anthony's mouth. and also duct tape back at the anthony's home that was on a gas can in their garage. now what brad conway is saying today is that that duct tape, those two pieces of duct tape, microscopically is dissimilar in fabric -- in fabric composition. so he's saying they are not a match. however, there have been previous reports that have said that these duct tape pieces are matches. and that they were chemically similar, as well as they seem to originate from the same roll. now also, in addition to that, in the discovery items that were released yesterday -- >> a lot of documentsao, natisha. >> a lot of documents. within those, this duct tape brand is called fireguard duct. it's a rare duct tape brand that i have looked at because there are numbers here. 134,000, about 134 fouz rolls

to natisha lance, how long does all of this go on?how much more is there to learn about what she said about her missing child? >> nancy, there is three hours of audio tapes. this is leonard padilla and tracy mac lachlan and the fbi. we had thousands and thousands of pages of discovery to come out. this is the tip of the iceberg. >> author of cyber liz, what do you mike of it. >> jesse grund didn't do this. she was the last one seen with the baby. she was the one who her mom turned in and now they are coming up with all this. by the way, the statements made should be in court. that attorney made that mistake a long time ago of letting the people live with her who didn't have the protections. >> let's stop and remember john style, 38, highlands ranch, colorado. studied at the college of denver and served marines. as a coldier, risked his life rescuing three fellow soldiers and lost his life after talking to his wife of eight years. leaves behind parents lynn and linda. sister natalie serving in the air force and brother charles serving

to natisha lance. how much more is there to learn about what she said about her missing child?> there's three hours of audio tapes. leonard padilla, also robert dick. beyond that, we've had thousands and thousands of pages of discovery to come out. >> john, what do you make of it? >> everything points to her. she was the last one, the baby. she was the one who her mom turned in. and the statements should be in court. that attorney made that mistake a long time ago of letting those people live with her who didn't have attorney client privilege productions. >>> let's stop and remember john stils. rescued three fellow soldiers in his tour. lost his wife one day after talking to his wife of eight years. loves rivers around colorado. leaves behind his parents, sister serving the air force and brother, serving the army. widow. american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. a special good night to georgia, tennessee, friends of the joe. aren't they beautiful? everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- ca