his memorandum and what vince ford added to it is [unintelligible] >> is he alive? >> no, he is dead. >> and his job was? >> he was assistant to gardner but his job was really interesting. he was a behind-the-scenes man. >> how much were you able to talk to him? >> i interviewed him at great length. >> is all this on tape? >> yes, it is all on tape. it is on my computer, the transcripts of the interview. i am not online. i do not have e-mail. i have been warned by the computer gurus that if i did get it, sooner or later, i would get a book on the computer and lose the book. >> as long as we're talking about it i have my hands on these papers and we had some video on your collection. where is this? >> i will eventually give these papers to the library as well. these are the papers that i gathered in the course of writing this book. my personal papers went over to the library to be put be with vann's papers. >> can the public see this? >> yes. does go to the library of congress. >> are there audio tapes? >> yes. 285 from the vietnam war. >> how many will you have for

vince ford had put together a memoir. vince fords with a colonel who worked first for shriever and then for gardner. ford had written using schreiver's papers, a memoir which he let me have. a copy. of it is a huge man script. >> never published? >> never published. it never will be published. it's well over 1,000 pages. >> and let you have it? >> will he -- he let me have it. did you read the whole thing? >> i read the whole thing. also i read all of schreiver's papers. >> there's a quote -- no. it's on the same page. i wanted to ask you about this. you say he wrote this in his diary that night, the night i guess before. "termites in the woodwork." >> yes. that was schreiver's term because he sensed the hostile. when he got this briefing from the head of the n.f.c. who told them, now, gentlemen, you're restricted to half an hour, you're not to refer to this letter from senator jackson to the president, in order to pressure him into doing anything that you want him to do. schreiver realized this man was not in favor of th