look at the catholic antiwar people. in look at the church men who have supported social movements. it so christianity can be used for good or for ill and bush has used it in a fundamentalist churches, they've been so closely tied to him as to give him a great great support. and i think that fortunately they do not command the support of the majority of christians in this country. maybe they have 20 percent, leave 25%. but there's always been -- i shouldn't say all is -- that's an extreme statement. i'm not an extremist. [laughter] for a long time of the fundamental core of immovable right wing sentiment in this country which probably accounts for 25 or 30 percent of the population and and probably a little you can do to move them. the problem is to move everybody else and when you move enough other people who are not transfixed by this pseudo religious idea that god is on the side of imperial power, then it's possible for religion to play a positive role. >> i have one comment and one question. i am a combat veteran who is abused by his own people while serving the military and a l