it is an honor to have you on this program, dwayne betts. >> doing great.is: let me go right at it. tell me what happened that fateful day. >> i was with a friend. we drove out to the mall in virginia and we were walking around the the mall and it got late and the next thing i know me and him were walking around in the parking lot and i had a gun. i didn't have a gun intentionally planted on robbing someone but i had a gun because the opportunity fell in my lap and told somebody i would hold it and i found myself in the mall walking around in the parking lot. next thing i know me and my friend carjacked this guy that was sleeping in his car. i tell people we basically drove ourselves to prison. we were arrested the next day and pled guilty immediately and i was sentenced to nine years in prison and after 8 1/2 years i was finally release. tavis: let's start with the gun. you are an honor student. you have a mother who loves you and has taken good care of you. as an honor student, why do you have a gun in the first plate? >> it was the only time i had ever h

. >> dwayne betts, question of freedom. >>> bryan garner is the co-author of "making your case." what is it like writing a book with the supreme court justice? >> first it's an honor that we had quite a few debates as we went along. the reason we wrote the book together is we have a very similar philosophy of writing and advocacy, but what we got into the book we had disagreements so there are four debates in the middle of the book which are kind of fun. we've just done the audio book that we read in october back and forth. he would read a section, i would read a section. but in the sections in which we have disputes, we would have our arguments back and forth. so it was a lot of fun working with him. i would say he is justice scalia is not at all the way the public receives him to be. in my view he was surprisingly humble to work with and he acquiesced a good bit of the time when we disagreed. >> how did you get hooked up with him? >> originally i was -- i was interviewing of the supreme court justices on their views on advocacy and on writing. and i've written a number of books