dr. fleming as well. dr. broun, thank you for joining us, let's talk a little bit about this health care bill. mr. broun: thank you, mr. akin. you've been a stalwart friend in this fight to try to stop the government overtaking the health care system. i, as a medical doctor, have been fighting for my patients, for their economic well being, for years. i wanted to come tonight and bring up a few things. in the "wall street journal" yesterday, there was an editorial written, co-authored by scott rasmussen, the famous pollster. the title is, why obama can't move the health care numbers. one of the lines in here right at the end is basically giving the bottom line, it says, most voters believe the current plan will harm the economy, they're right about that. cost more than projected, absolutely. raise the cost of care. without any shadow of doubt. and will lead to higher middle class taxes. that is just undoubtedly a fact. the american people get it. and one thing that the american people do get is that it's goin

dr. fleming, i have a minute. mr. fleming: i just want to touch on the process. we have heard about the corn husker kickback, louisiana purchase, gator aid carveout for the medicare advantage, all special deals and today we find out that yesterday or the day before, our speaker, splore pelosi made this comment and said we have to pass this bill in order to find out what's in it. now, you know, we're talking about 1/6 of the entire economy here and the speaker has the audacity to say we have to pass this bill just to find out what's in it. mr. akin: that is an amazing quote, isn't it? we have to pass the 3,000-page bill just to find out what's in it. mr. fleming: with the stimulus bill, you didn't have to read it to pass it. so that correlates with that. mr. akin: it seems like it is close to insane almost. but we have a minute or so left. and michelle, i wanted to give you the last minute or two. . mrs. bachmann: i want to go back to a sign that louie gohmert held up in a joint speech that said, what plan. remember the president had a 12-page proposal. there was

dr. fleming. mr. fleming: let me say something that is not as obvious but it should be clear. coverage under health care does not mean access to health care. look at cuba. in cuba, you have universal health care, universal access and it's all free. the problem is, there is no health care in cuba. and anti-buy on thics medication, nonexist tant. how does that apply to us? what we are doing in effect with this bill is taking two big entitlements, medicare and medicaid, the states can't afford medicaid. the federal government can't afford medicare. it will run out of money in eight years. we are taking out $-- half a trillion of dollars out of it and then tax people and create a new entitlement, stacking one entitlement after another. look, the bottom line here is, there are two ways to bend the cost curve down in health care. one is to have a giant system like this and create bureaucrats who are going to control things and micromanage and ultimately save money through long lines, waiting list and rationing. the other, one i prefer, is the free market, where we attack the doctor-

dr. fleming. >> thank you, madame chairwoman. one quick question. this report that you're doing is due in december, is that correct? >> december 1. >> have you looked at or are considering what other laws, rules, and policies this may impact that are not directly related to this? >> and our mandate is to look at the impact of the repeal of the the mandate? and did not construe it to make recommendations about repeal or amendment of any other law. you have to study the impact that might have on others. obviously, if this appeal were to occur, there would be unintended consequences that no one would be happy with. certainly, we should look into the horizon to see if there might be others. is that something the panel will be looking at? >> i would say that that is part of our mandate. >> i would ask that if it is not planned, you plan to do that. take a look at what the unintended consequences might be for repealing 654. with that, i yield back. >> we will come back in about 30-40 minutes. i really appreciate you hanging around with us this afternoon.

dr. fleming. >> thank you, madame chairwoman. one quick question. this report that you're doing is due in december, is that correct? >> december 1. >> have you looked at or are considering what other laws, rules, and policies this may impact that are not directly related to this? >> and our mandate is to look at the impact of the repeal of the the mandate? and did not construe it to make recommendations about repeal or amendment of any other law. you have to study the impact that might have on others. obviously, if this appeal were to occur, there would be unintended consequences that no one would be happy with. certainly, we should look into the horizon to see if there might be others. is that something the panel will be looking at? >> i would say that that is part of our mandate. >> i would ask that if it is not planned, you plan to do that. take a look at what the unintended consequences might be for repealing 654. with that, i yield back. >> we will come back in about 30-40 minutes. i really appreciate you hanging around with us this afternoon.