eunice, louisiana. go ahead. caller: i have been in the energy business since 1968. guest: wow. caller: started off in the 1970's's -- to address concerns about skills and what have you in the gulf of mexico and the federal register. in 1970 oc -- it was a quarter inch thick and regulations and today we have 14 volumes about one-inch thick. to address the concerns, from this guy in indiana, saying for oil spills and what have you -- we had katrina, we had ivan, gustave, all of these hurricanes coming through the gulf with very minimal amount of skill. wheat did not hear that in the national media. we were very concerned about that and we found out that all of our safety systems adequately worked and worked well. guest: you guys did a terrific job, you really did, in very difficult circumstances. personally and professionally. each co -- host: allen, clearwater, florida. caller: i want to talk about refineries. i have a question and suggestion. the question is -- first of all, i remember there is a program, i did not know how long ago, maybe a year or so, talking about in order t