mildred lily if she was not shot down by a 12 members of the aba she might have been on the court. looked at her credentials sandra day equally good and experience wise better. but anyway, when listening to these tapes, he would say things like to mitchell -- he'd say, you know, john, i don't have any women in my cabinet. thank god i don't have any women in my cabinet but my cabinet is so lousy anyway, it won't make any difference. and then he'd say, i don't believe women should even be educated. [laughter] >> here he's got two lovely daughters. he's a very complex man, clearly. >> host: could you ever talk about the relationship between pat and dick nixon? >> guest: i would be reluctant to do so. my few dealings -- for example, i had some estate matters that had to be dealt with when he was doing his estate planning. and i was the intermediary to his outside lawyers. and he had me get the information from his wife rather than he got it from his wife. he would address her by sending her memos. but i send my wife emails and every time i do it, i think i might be richard nixon. >> ho