because the experts who judge sirica hired to look at it said it took 7 to 9 different times to erase. well, you don't even need 7 to 9 different times. so i can see nixon trying to recapture -- then saying well, let me get it again and not understanding how it worked at all. and doing this. and since he's the only one who knows he did it, he's never admitted to anybody. so no one has ever known, you know, what it is. >> host: let's come back to that. butch is joining us from jackson, wyoming. welcome to the program. >> caller: thank you a lot. it's a real pressure to talk to you mr. dean. i see you on msnbc a lot. i'd just like to know a few questions. i could sit down and talk to you for hours. are you still a conservative philosophy, over the conservative philosophy? i'd like to think what you thought of the movie with david frost and nixon interviews. and i would also like to know about the new movie "w" that's out and i think it's scowcroft who said when he knew cheney that cheney today is not the cheney that he knew. and do you have any idea what he was talking about. >> host: t