i was the main author along with jane harman of the save sports act to permit the security of the ports. i have been working on transportation security. i helped to write the security modalities for chemical facilities. in those categories, it is something you can see, touch, sense. it is easier to build a response because the threat is more evident. cybersecurity is in sight of things. you do not see it. because it has become so ubiquitous and everywhere, it is more important than it has ever been before. it applies to many of the physical structures and infrastructures that we have. yet, in a sense, it is hidden. it is tough to get people to understand the uniqueness of the importance and the threat and the immediacy of it as well. >> areeyou finding that members of congrrss are not interested in cybersecurity? >> i think they're interested in it from time to time. if you asked me if members of the public are concerned about the threat from al qaeda or its affiliates, i would say that is iitermittent. we got very concerned after the christmas bombing effort. now we're very concerned a

senator john warner, a good friend and supporter of the institute, congressman jane harman, and accompanyingdent karzei, we have members of his cabinet. down the hall, we have other folks. we have established a professional training academy in conflict management and peace building skills. this facility is down the hall and under training right now are some folks working with the defense department who will be going to afghanistan to try to help strengthen the defense of interior ministries as they bring stability to that country. let me just say briefly that the institute of peace has been working on the ground in afghanistan since 2002. we currently have an office in cobble a full-time working -- cobble -- to promote reconciliation with programs focused on the rule of law, a training conflict mediators, and training women in conflict management skills, and trying to work and establish that a very complex relationship between afghanistans traditional justice system and a rule of law set of processes. we are deeply committed to supporting our government and that of president karzei as they t