the cia. this the biggest issue they have to deal with? >> president obama has to be seen to have a grip on national security, particularly in recent events. it is vital that he is not seen as weak or having failed to protect his country. there are these clashes with the cia. the director of the cia used to be the head of the intelligence community. there was a clash and the cia one. -- the cia won. you have all these clashes and, clearly, they felt it was time for a change. >> coming up in a moment, artificial life not -- artificial life, but not so artificial concerns. the world's first artificial sell brings a whole body of questions. -- artificial cell brings a whole body of questions. nine people have died and thousands have been forced from their homes in the worst flooding in poland in years. the prime minister says it could cost more than $2.5 billion. >> a state of alarm in warsaw at the moment. the levels of the river that runs through warsaw is twice its normal level. it is just 75

what i wanted to convey was how hard the cia works to keep the country safe. so much is written about the agency's failures. .. and i said not only do we not have a job i don't even have any prospect for a job and i'm getting married a few weeks after i graduate and i don't know what i'm going to do a and he said what to consider the cia. a life of sure that sounds interesting i would consider the cia so we walked to his office and he calls a man to this day i only know as bombay and i think that bob was the director of personnel for the agency at the time in the late 1980's and 30 minutes later i many nondescript office in suburban virginia speaking with bob and began a series of tests the following saturday and was a long process that took about 14 months in total but later i started working at the agency. >> host: were you aware at the time or become aware of the fact that this particular technique, one of your professors or in an older person known to you might be a spotter? that this was there any legend about gw that there was a cia recruit from the facu

the agency. it turned out that dr. post was a legendary cia officer on the analytics slide and someone who has had a lasting positive affect on the agency. so i was very fortunate not just to have been in a position he could help me but really to have known him and studied him is something the benefited me in my career. >> host: and following on that it was much more impressive than when you think of one of your teachers or mentors comes with you with a suggestion that you look at this and i think the agency over the years has had a lot of success with those persons in various faculties and institutions who have been on the lookout for able young people. certainly a compliment to you when you thought about it, etc.. >> guest: i was very flattered. and i came to make a great number of people inside the agency who made it through the process in exactly the same way. and interestingly enough, when i finally got hired i went to thank the doctor and he denied having anything to do with my success in the process other than introducing me to a cia pe

we get into a fight with the cia. they have vast resources, great press relations and enormous information, resources that everybody is interested in. and i think he would have a tough battle with leon panetta early on, which was a mistake. first of all, not only the cia but leon panetta is a-- is a gifted, experienced former omb director, former white house chief of staff, one term member of congress, house chairman, you know, leon panetta knows, not simply where the bodys are but where they are buried and who buried them. i think it was tough. and the white house was-- i can't understand why they did it. >> lehrer: they didn't give him anyway out. >> no way out and a half an hour before his meeting with the president, where hess resignation was to be demanded, they released the-- leaked the fact they had been interviewing a couple of weeks his successors. that just is not a way of inspiring loyalty. >> lehrer: yeah. >> i do agree with that. and this is not exactly the first time they've been unnecessarily tough on p

every time there is a leader that wants to share resources, the cia and the unite states for oil all the plans for that. guest: it is a great question. pakistan does not have oil. what some of the military leaders have offered, and that have been an influencing factor has been the pception of stability. the army chief that took power in 1999, and only recourse power in the summer of 2008, he held power for so long largely because of u.s. support. toward the end of his regime was when the pakistani taliban emerged, and when t society began to turn against the united states. that was largely the result of the bush administration's support despite the fact that he was so deeply unpopular. i think it has lesto do with oil. the u.s. will always look for its >> tomorrow, discussion of u.s. immigration policy. we will look at the future of the republican party and its relationship with the tea party. the author and editor of a handbook of airline economics will give the airlines. "washington journal" is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> the midterm elections are just six months away.

i wanted to show how high this the -- how hard the cia tries to keep the country's eighth. of failures are released to the public by wanted to write about the agency's success. . .

and that book is a combination of his work over many years on covert operations of the cia. >> host: are there any other books upcoming that you're looking forward to? >> guest: yes. the book preludin to catastrophe we will publish in the fall is about the jewish advisers around president roosevelt. they're actions and inactions in the face of the nazi menace in europe and have responsible they might have better what they might have done to help prevent the

the cia was in the struggle with dni and in the end with a wind. it created unbelievable publications. in the same way that homeland security was going to solve our problems and it has been a disaster. it is a theoretical reorganizing of huge structures in society, and it always ends a screwed up as a result. >> i don't think: security has been proven to be a disaster. -- don't think homeland security has been proven to be a disaster. i think they need a technocrat with this operation. >> it has not worked, let's be blunt about it, the dni office when you have had four in five years, it is not a good situation. when you interview somebody's replacement before he is told he is leaving, it is not the greatest personnel operation. >> barack obama is taking everybody away who does not have papers. >> well, that is something that we have to work on, right, to make sure that people can be here and get the right kind of papers, right? >> she does not have papers. >> my mom does not have papers. that is the human side of the immigration debate. she is scar

as ipealy i%e%awle b >>> the former directer of the cia has a new mission. mes wilsi transformed this home into a green energy showcase. look at this. the home is solar powered with geothermal pipes. it's just the right temperature to cool in the summer and warm in the winter. >>> good morning. it's 5:09. what a nice weather pattern we have in the first week of may. yesterday's high temperatures with the sunshine, breeze, and humidity with the absence of any hours erupting in the afternoon. 81 in baltimore mother and even over towards ocean city. this morning we slipped back into the 50s. on cinco de mayo we have 55s. and then the river station at 60. in the 40s into york, pennsylvania, across the border. an afternoon high of 83 degrees for the 2-degree guarantee. looking like we have ourself a decent pattern until we cool down on mother's day weekend. more coming up. kim brown. >> justin we have reports reports of debris at route 170 in deer run. reported as a struck animal. animal. and also a fire at bitterland. the drivers are on the green on the way you g

this man is from the cia. had people earlier that will represent the climate change and more security. the airport security situation is, " when you think half the cargo on those planes is not inspected by the cameras are focusing on the bodies of the passengers. our borders are not protected whatsoever. no cameras. we have no idea who is coming into the country. the report last year focused on third-party advocates, anti- abortion people. what is happening with the security? it is turning on the people. we should have cameras in washington. that is where the real crime is. guest: i tried to emphasize -- it is easy when you lived in washington. there are 17,600 state and local authorities out there. these are the first responders. there are 800,000 police in the united states. i may be wrong with that number. we forget the importance of those people and what kind of support they need. it was two new york city policemen who were there and they were first on the scene. in any of these other places, you often see

i was saying not check with congress, but check with the cia, check with the director of the nationale because -- >> when do you do all this checking, and under what circumstances would this guy be tried in a military court? he wasn't -- he is an american citizen. >> he was carrying out a terrorist act on behalf of a foreign entity. >> and so the military comes in? he was arrested by the fbi in new york. >> he can still be considered an enemy combatant as abdulmutallab. >> just like the nazi saboteurs that executed as enemy combatants. >> this is an american citizen, pete. if we're talking about the same thing. >> a supreme court decisions and a person who is working for a foreign power can be declared an enemy combatant and does not have to have the miranda warnings. >> larry: is there a danger, peter, that if you don't mirandize, you could wind up winning a pyrrhic victory and having it thrown out by the courts? >> the military tribunal is a valid trial for an enemy combatant. the point i'm making, this person could have such knowledge, such information, such intelligence, remember,

neither dni had admiral blair nor was the cia there. i think this case clearly has an international link. this is something that needs to be explored. in regards to the interrogation of this guy, mirandizing is one issue. the question i would have, did the cia have a crack at this guy also? we know the guy traveled back and forth to pakistan. cia interrogators might have pieces of information that might have been able to link him to different people and different organizations that backtrack to other people. and so for me, the question on interrogation is less about mirandizing, but it's really about a joint effort to get every piece of information you can get from this guy to see if there's other associates out there. >> you know what, michael brings up the point, bob, about whether or not this suspect was mirandized. there's already a debate within the conservative community, senator john mccain saying he should not have been even though he's a naturalized citizen, someone else, another big voice in that part of the conversation, says

plenty of buzz from the cia about him because he has been in pakistan, afghanistan, they had tracked him all of the way home and followed him and put the rest together. it seems to me almost more dangerous when you have someone who seemed a spontaneous generator sitting there disgruntled about something maybe al qaeda, maybe a radical muslim who knows. he has the internet as his guide and he wires all of this stuff. or more of mahmoud ahmadinejad coming here tomorrow talking about nuclear safety and nonproliferation it's instead of a fertilizer bomb a nuke in one of these cars one of the other days. >> you sound like professor geraldo. you gave us a continuum people we had a case against. we had intelligence and we followed him. blue the whistle earlier in the case but we had to. on the other end of the continuum somebody picks up information some place on the internet puts the bomb has a gripe goes out there for any number of reasons. you heard a congressman say it's possible because the car was outside the truck was outside -- >> viacom. >> or could be a jihadist, could be a jihadis

my goal in writing this book was to show the american people they have a lot to be proud of that the cia. you have a group of thousands of dedicated men and women from across the ideological spectrum who only want to serve the country. and i think that some of the agency's success stories need to be told. i think the american people want to know the agency is succeeding and i think they have a right to know and i am pleased i was able to get this cleared by the cia and the story is out there. >> host: i hope he will enjoy it. it is a terrific story, john. thanks for talking about it with me today.g me. .. >> how has the book tour been going? you have really covered quite a bit on the keys to success. give us an idea what you were thinking when you decided to spend the time putting this book together. >> it's going well. it's been a busy couple of weeks since the book was launched. i wrote the book because in 2008, when we were all watching people lose their jobs and the recession really at its peak and the financial system under severe pressure with iconic firms failing, like lehman brot

the cia was in a struggle with dni at in the end they wind. created complications, in the same way that homeland security was going to solve all our problems. as a warning about the theoretical reorganizing the future structures in society and that would always ends up screwed up as a result. >> i don't think that homeland security is shipping up to be a disaster. i think in this case they need to find the person they need to have. >> it has not worked, let's be very blunt about it, the dni office. four in five years is a pretty good indication. when you were interviewing for somebody's replacement before he has been told he is leaving, it is probably not the grid is personnel operation. -- not the greatest personnel operation. >> barack obama is taking everybody away that does not have papers. >> well, that is something that we have to work on, right, to make sure that people can be here, right? >> my mom does not have papers. >> that is the human side of the immigration debate. she is scared to death that the government is going to take her

it was an extra layer of bureaucracy that did not have authority to add the cia was in a struggle with dni and in the end it won. the same way that homeland security is a new agency that was going to solve our problems, and it has been a disaster. it is a warning of the theoretical reorganizing of a huge structures of society and how it almost always ends up screwed up as a result. >> i don't think that homeland security has proven yet to be a disaster. in this case, they need to find a technocrat, not a big personality to run the operation. >> it has not worked, let's be very blunt about eight, the dni office. when you left at four in five years, that is a good indication. when you are interviewing somebody's replacement before he is told he is leaving, it is probably not the greatest personnel operation. >> barack obama is taking everybody away that does not have papers. >> well, that is something that we have to work on, right, to make sure that people can be here with the right kind of papers, right? >> my mom does not have papers. >> that is the human side of the immigration debat

. >> reporter: the obama administration admitted in april that awlaki is on the cia's list of targetsor assassination despite his american citizenship. >> because he's so visible. it would be very important to get him because it would send a message to radical islamists and jihadists around the world. >> reporter: this is awlaki driving on the streets of america and preaching in an american mosque. before he went into hiding in yemen after the ft. hood shooting. in spite of the religious freedom he enjoyed here, awlaki is now at war with america. he made it clear in this latest video that it's a religious war calling president obama the leader of the war on islam and leader of the crusader campaign. in a commencement speech at west point just hours before the video was released, the president embraced american muslims. >> extremists want a war, but muslims are part of our national life including those who serve in our united states army. >> reporter: asked in the video about muslim groups who disapproved of the christmas day airline plot because it targeted civilians, awlaki had a chi

the cia and fbi worry americans trained in sew ma somalia could to attack the u.s. >> capability to strike the united states and intent, they have talked about coming after us. >> reporter: as somalia becomes a spring board of al qaeda that the u.s. has once again been forced to confront. richard engel, nbc news, mogadishu. >>> when "nightly news" continues in just a moment, fergie, the duchess of york caught on camera with a pile of cash selling access. the whole mess on videotape. >>> later nashville got knocked down. it is taking a lot of people to get it back up. tonight they are "making a difference." you don't have to with these priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service, if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. no weigh? nope. no way. yeah. no weigh? sure. no way! uh-uh. no way. yes way, no weigh. priority mail flat rate box shipping starts at $4.95, only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. for constipation relief... nothing works better than miralax. it's the one. the one recommended by more doctors. only miralax is clinically proven

and so these monitoring stations were set up by the cia. it was a -- it was a level of cooperation, brian, that was extraordinary and brought the two countries very close together on one level that was not revealed publicly. c-span: when did it happen? >> guest: it happened under president carter, when deng xiaping came to washington to formalize the declaration of -- of recognition, a formal diplomatic recognition between the united states and china. it was first brought up and put on the table by zbig -- zbigniew brzezinski, president carter's national security adviser. and that began -- and -- and deng xiaping said he would take it home and consider it. deng xiaping being very much willing to take on these kind of cooperat -- cooperative efforts and arrangements with the united states than mao zedong had ever been. mao didn't trust getting in bed with america like this. deng was much more of a hard-liner and activist on the soviet union, and he was willing to go ahead. so a few months later, he came back and -- during vice president monda

less reliable supply of water. >> reporter: then the former cia chief showed us more. s boat dock. soybeans in his field that will become biodiesel for the fuel tank up at the house. a briefcase with solar panels to recharge his cell phone. all showing us energy independence, that also cuts down on greenhouse emissions, can be extremely local. bill blakemore, abc news, central maryland. >> that guy's off the energy grid altogether. >> that's really impressive. >> that briefcase was kind of cool. never seen that. >> become one of our fans or just visit us on facebook. >> go to wnnfans.com.q k

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. >> i think other interrogators from other agencies such as the cia now involved as well, i believe., it's great to have your perspective. hope you come back. >>> coming up, police and protesters clash in greece and which nba team is jumping into the arizona immigration fight? plus, in today's decision "2010," not so anti-washington after all? establishment picks hold on in indiana, ohio, and north carolina. >>> but first, today's washington speak. >> i'm happy to say there are built-in redundancies when the redundancy happens, redundancy is built in. >> redundancy. the concept that a strong security system should have multiple layers of protection so if one system breaks down, another will catch it. this came interrupt times square investigation. someone on the no fly list is supposed to be stopped first by the airline who else is the ticket. that didn't happen here. the built in redundancy was customs and border protection. they got their guy. this is 67 only on msnbc. these days, money market funds are paying less than 2%. so forget return on investment. let's talk return on insur

during that time he has been plagued with security lapses and spats with the cia. a recent congressional report also found that his office did not connect the so-called intelligence dots that could have prevent ad bombing attempt on a detroit-bound plane on christmas day. >>> the conspiracy trial surrounding robert wone's murder continues this morning. thursday a judge heard from the first par immediate zwroik arrive at the scene. jeff baker said his radar went up when he got the dupont circle row house where wone was stabbed in 2006. he said the three men steamed disconnected. he said wone's stab wound had red marks that looked like it had been wiped with a towel. no one has been charged with the killing. the three men who lived in that home are all accused of misleading police in this case. >>> police are hoping some new sketches will help them solve a murder case at a central mansion. 39-year-old jose rosales was working as a handyman on monday when two intruders broke in. during the scuffle he was shot and killed. police now have sketches of the two suspects. po

you had the former head of the cia on. ead a lot about what mcgovern has said, as well as the 9/11 commission on what took place. we have heard over and over again, and i do not want to make any excuses for people using violence to deal with problems, but i've also gone on line and listened to the fellowwho blew up our cia agents in afghanistan. he did a videotape of why he was doing this. we have heard over and over again that the israeli palestinian conflict is one of the root causes for the anchoger that many of these people feel, as well as our military bases on their land. guest: there are many motivations on what drives a terrorist to act against us. they have been doing this a long time. this started in 1993 when it blew up the world trade center. they blew up our embassies in 1998. there's a long history of action here. and of course, our forces overseas, their political problems. they have a religious justification, which is really a twisting of islam for their own justification and use of violence. in this case, y

and with due reference to the former cia director every time there is an event like this everyone sayss some new paradigm. not really. we've had guys like this back and forth from pakistan and the united states dating back to the plot against the brooklyn bridge in 2002. zazi, the guy from denver who had been back to pakistan looking to blow up the subway system. this guy with a car bomb. if he had done this right it could have been a pretty big attack. >> we know with our airline security and even though you can certainly find holes in things that need to be improved, there are many who said that something like that could not be pulled off again and the terrorists would look for ways like car bombs or attacking our subway system. when you look at this, this is the first time it's happened in times square to this degree. >> that's right. >> what does that tell us? >> well, they'd be moving toward car bombs and not that car bombs are anything new. the world trade center was blown up in et 3 with a truck bomb. of course american terrorists like timothy mcveigh, big truck bomb against okl

he is interviewed by frederick hitz, former inspector general of the cia and current fellow at the university of virginia center for national security law. >> host: sitting here with john kiriakou, talking about his new book, guerrilla spy. i told john before i got on the air that is like to ask them as my first question, how did you decide to write this book, john? >> it was a hard decision actually. i've

, because of course when it is laid out, the problems in the chstmas event, it laid claim that the fbi, cia, nsa and the national counterterrorism center that it didn't reflect its own blame that it has helped pass these enhanced protections for national security agencies and intelligence whistleblowers. they bill in the house, h.r. 1507, passed twice already over the years. it is really the gold standard where we would like to see a national security whistleblowers protected. it basically removes the exemption and gives them the same rights that other federal employees would have. as lisa powell said in the senate we were pleased to see in e senate bill, s. 372 for the first time in the history of the senate that they actually included national security whistleblowers within the enhanced protections. the bill treated them a little bit differently. it created an independent award within the executive branch that would adjudicate and investigate these matters. said that whistleblowers would not have the same rights tgo out with the idea that that would somehow protect the national security s

plenty of buzz from the cia about him because he has been in pakistan, afghanistan, they had tracked all of the way home and followed him and put the rest together. it seems to me almost more dangerous when you have someone who seemed a spontaneous generator sitting there disgruntled about something maybe al qaeda, maybe a radical muslim who knows. he has the internet as his guide and he wires all of this stuff. or more of mahmoud ahmadinejad coming here tomorrow talking about nuclear safety and nonproliferation it's instead of a fertilizer bomb a nuke in one of these cars one of the other days. >> you sound like professor geraldo. you gave us a continuum people we had a case against. we had intelligence and we followed him. blue the whistle earlier in the case but we had to. on the other end of the continuum somebody picks up information some place on the internet puts the bomb has a gripe goes out there for any number of reasons. you heard a congressman say it's possible because the car was outside the truck was outside -- >> viacom. >> or could be a jihadist, could be a jihadist or

the point of one to make is that it is next to impossible for the police departments, the cia, the fbi, or anyone else to track these type of radicals, be they from pakistan or cincinnati -- does not matter where they are from. it is next to impossible to track them because of the loss of our own country. we're not allowed to profile people. that is the way it is. as far as him getting on to the plane and everything, the police to parliament deliberately allowed him to get onto the plane. it was not a failure. -- the police department allowed him. they let him sit there and let the plane taxied to see if anyone would make contact, to see if there was anyone else involved. then they brought it back when it was obvious that all the people were on the plane and there was no contact made. so, if people knew enough about the story that they had read enough, or listened to you -- which c-span carries a lot of very good information -- and if they would listen to you on a daily basis, instead of once per week, catching snippets, and just hanging on to what they want to, then they would underst

somewhat more aggressive about the way we deal with this and not put so much fear in the hearts of the cia agents and others about the questioning they have to do and getting the information they have to get. this is all about getting intelligence. it's all about getting information in advance. and you know, the more you deter these people from their methods of questioning, the less information we get in advance. it's as simple as that. >> larry: we had experts here the other night saying car bombers are almost impossible, if a guy has a bomb in a car, it's almost impossible to stop them, isn't it? >> sure. you got to get lucky. the four things you have going for you, like we did in new york, the better chance you have getting lucky, catch him on a tape, see something suspicious, here we had a street vendor, saw something suspicious, tells the police. police brings in the bomb squad. you got to hope something like that is going to happen. if you had cameras and more of them, doesn't mean you're 100%, but it does mean you're going to catch somebody before they set off a bomb. >> larry: we'l

and america has this phenomenon that the cia likes to call for a marco and would be looking at an alliance between our organizations and the marcos. all i can see as i've been on the left a long time and there's always somebody in every group that says the end justifies the means and they do have guns and money and they are corrupting american youth i guess if that is the way you want to put it destroying the fabric of imperialism from within. so that might be one scenario. a mass movement in 2006, july 30th, 2006 with 2 million people on the streets of mexico city. when you put too many on the streets and ask them to march decant march. they just stand there. they took up all the spaces. so what remains of that movement, that movement is kind of spread and we spent the three years traveling to the most obscure communities in the country's leading behind groupings of people so there is

. >> belair's office oversees 16 federal agencies, including the fbi, cia, and homeland security. reportedly, several candidates are being interviewed for the job. reporting in the satellite center, mike conneen, abc 7 news. >>> oil giant bp admits that the oil spill in the gulf of mexico is far worse than initially thought. new underwater video shows the size and scope of the leak. bp says 5,000 barrels were leaking out every day. now some say it could be as much as 100,000 barrels, and today the epa is raising concerns about the chemical used to disperse the oil as well. >>> and obama is ordering federal agencies to work up national mileage and emission standards for big rig and work trucks. >> only underscores that even as we pursue domestic production to reduce our reliance on imported oil, our long-term security depends on the development of alternative sources of fuel and new transportation technologies. >> so today the president also ordered agencies to start working on even a stronger mileage standards for cars and trucks. he says within 20 years he wants to see cars runnin

during his 16 months in that position, blair has dealt with security lapses and spats with the cia. a statement, president obama said the intelligence community has "performed admirably and effectively under blair despite many challenges to the nation's security." there's still a large plume of oil and gas spewing into the gulf of mexico despite efforts to contain it. bp released more real-time video showing the oil leak and have live webcam of the flow. the company now agrees that what experts have been saying, the daily flow exceeds 5,000 barrels per day. it's siphoning that amount right now from the oil well but more continues to leak into the open ocean. lawmakers are upset. >> lost all credibility, now the decisions will have to be made by others, because it's clear that they have been hiding the actual consequence. >> the obama administration is demanding bp make public all of its information on the spill while the epa insists they use a less toxic chemical to disperse the oil. crews will attempt to fill the well with mud and cement as early as sunday. >>> president barack oba

seamless cooperation in the sharing of information between the fbi and law enforcement on one hand and the cia and intelligence in the other. they do say the debrief of shahzad has yielded important information. how does this play in for you in this whole debate about when we should be reading suspects miranda rights and what rights terrorism suspects should have? >> like i said, the key issue here is the radicalization in the groups that are threatening us. i think it's a distraction to focus on miranda. what happened in this case, they investigated and they questioned this guy without miranda for a substantial period of time. specifically to try to stop any immediate threat. once they became convinced that the immediate threat was contained, they mirandized him and continued to question him to preserve the possibility of trying him here in fall courede court. the justice department knows what it's doing. there's this great myth out there that somehow before miranda everybody just talks, talks, talks, talks, talks. second you give them miranda, they stop. neither is true. a lot of times peopl

organizations designed to flight in cyberspace and were not alone in public testimony, leon panetta, the ciaween 20 and 30 nations now have military organization similar to cybercommand, designed to fight in cyberspace. how do you fight in cyberspace? you're envisioning kiana reeves in the matrix are some name. not quite. get axiom is not. what do you do? what i typed about in the beginning, if you're on the offensive, you hack your way into those systems on which we all depend weird you hack your way into the control system for a power. and cause a blackout. you say that's a nuisance, but i can flick the switch and turn the power back on. well, maybe. but maybe the attack was designed to cause lasting damage to the power grid. maybe it melted high tension wires and caused generators to spin out and explode before it caused a blackout. if that were true, the blackout would last for weeks if not moms. what if the attack was on the railroad and caused at key junctions on the freight rail networks are to be mounted to rail mints causing days, if not weeks when the railroads would work and suppl

every time there is a leader that wants to share resources, the cia and the united states for oil all the plans for that. guest: it is a great question. pakistan does not have oil. what some of the military leaders ve offered, and that have been an influencing factor has been the perception of stability. the army chief that took power in 1999, and only recourse power in the summer of 2008, he held power for so long largely because of u.s. support. toward the end of his rege was when the pakistani taliban emerged, and when the society began to turn against the united states. that was largely the result of the bush administration's support despite the fact that he was so deeply unpopular. i think it has less do with oil. the u.s. will always look for its own self interesand its own self-interest is stability. many times, that does override democratic principle. host: ohio. republican line, robert. caller: thank you for c-span. my question is, the intelligence service for pakistan -- how involved are they with taliban. i remember reading several years ago that they are very much involved

. >> host: and you told them you work for the cia? >> guest: i told them what they want to do here because they said we will freak you if you say this. and i knew in the past other political prisoners have been forced to make confessions as well. after of did it released and recounted their lives so i thought this is the way things work here. they want a false confession to further their political goal, and i'm not a hero. i just have to do what others have done before me and then i will get out and go somewhere safe and recount by life. i felt ashamed of my life from the moment i made that confession. >> host: you're father is iranian or mother is japanese and your reason for go north dakota. how did that happen? >> guest: all of the i read in japanese live in fargo north dakota i guess. [laughter] my mother got a job at the medical center in fargo so we followed her there from new jersey. >> host: roxana saberi is the guest. the numbers aren't a screen if you like to present it in the conversation first step comes from south lake tah

steve is actually, for about 30 or more years, was an analyst in latin america for the cia. and so knows an awful lot about the region, including the caribbean and cuba. and we had a conversation with another conference many years ago about his work. he decided to pursue a dissertation after he retired from the agency, and chose this as his subject. and he approached me one day. i was very interested. i thought, especially in light of post-9/11, there's an awful lot of interest in guantanamo, of course. but not much note about the history of the place. so i thought this would be a good opportunity for a good book. >> these conferences are not really about usually offer new books, but having new authors approach you, perhaps? >> it's a little bit of both. we definitely do want to show off our new books. this is a chance to reach out to the core audience for a lot of these books. but also it is a good way to meet new scholars and get it introduced a new project. a little of both. >> ranjit, you were to manage of university can the press and now you and acquisition editor to wan

they operated against the cia in afghanistan. hey've never tried anything against the united states. but it is true that the ñrcia a the dod have increased the pace extremely rapid pace of attacks, predator drone attacks in th>as recent months and year against pakistani terror suspects and with that, with that downgra downgrading, does this mean they are playing more defense and perhaps launching someone with less experience? >> i think this is a key point because if faisal can be traced back to a known terrorist organization, then we can step back and say with all that went wrong here, with them allowing to get this bomb into times square, even it was crude, was this the best they can do. you would expect a higher level of trade craft. if it is pakistan, the taliban pakistan, this would be the first time they have projected a threat against the u.s. homeland and again, the capability of the threat was not that good. there is good news as well as disturbing news if this was an organized terrorist group. Äli3'íÑ let me bring michae

the guest about u.s. involvement, specifically, cia involvement in the opium trade. how is this playing into the overall strategy? overall strategy? guest: the fact that opium production and cultivation went up so dramatically after american presence in afghanistan, there is no doubt that it is there. whether that reflects -- i am was convinced that that reflects some sort of under-the-table, nefarious role in the opium production. morceau reflects the taliban leadership. host: our guest's book is "to live or to perish forever: two tumultuous years in pakistan." nicholas schmidle as with the new america foundation. thank you for having the thank you for being with us this morning. host: we will talk about plans for united and continental to emerge on tomorrows program. that starts at 7:00 a.m. in the morning. we will see you then. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] [captioning performed by national captioning it

in public testimony, leon panetta, the cia director has said between 20 and 30 nations now have military organizations similar to cybercommand, designed to fight in cyberspace. how do you fight in cyberspace? you are envisioning gianna reeves in the matrix or something. not quite. not quite. milk kickboxing is-- no kick boxing is required. what do you do? if you are on the offensive, you hack your way into those systems on which we all depend. you hack your way into the control system for a power grid and cause a blackout. well you say that is a nuisance but i can flip the switch and turn the power back on. well, maybe. but maybe the attack was designed to cause lasting damage to the power grid. maybe it melted high tension wires and cause generators to spin out and explode, before it caused the blackout. if that were true, the blackout would last for weeks if not months. what if the attack was on the railroads? and caused at key junctions on the freight rail networks there to be massive derailments, causing days if not weeks worth of-- where the railroads would not work and supplies cou