and john soltz returns, co-founder and chair of vote vets.org. and staying with us in kabul is "rolling stone's" michael hastings, who wrote that article about general stanley mcchrystal that will be everywhere on friday. what do you make of these developments? >> shocking. it's an end to a good career. the president did the right thing. you cannot have the military do that. in fairness, it was mostly his aides. that doesn't get the general off the hook. larry, the big question i have is who in the world approved michael getting this interview? and, you know, things like this aren't just the general's people out in the field. people at the pentagon have to sign off on this. public affairs staff at the pentagon needs to explain all of this. because i don't want those people in charge of anything serious again. when you allow a journalist especially into a bar like that for the drinking scene in the article, that's not allowing journalism to take place. that's allowing eavesdropping to take place, with all due respect to michael. >> larry: michael,

all right, john soltz, where's all this going in afghanistan?, we're not going in the right direction. look, larry, we were on the segment together after the president's initial speech at west point. the time line makes no sense at all. when you want to put all these troops in there. the question is what are our objectives on the ground? we need to have a limited objective which is deny al qaeda the ability to train terrorists to attack our country. what happens when we put force throughout, you know, any of these countries? it happened in kosovo. they went into macedonia. it happened in iraq. in my unit. we put a lot of ground power on the ground to free up our logistics lines. as soon as we put troops on the ground, we put the enemy somewhere else. we can put hundreds of thousands of troops in afghanistan, push people around, but in the end the problems still exist. we need a slim down strategy. it's not about time lines. maybe we need 20,000 on the ground in afghanistan, 15,000 on the ground. but hundreds of thousands of troops for tens of ye

and john soltz co-founder of vote vets.org. a "rolling stone" article portrays the general and staffers as being critical, even contempt wous of president obama and his administration. mcchrystal ordered back to washington, oval office meeting scheduled for tomorrow. president obama offered his first public comment on the controversy about -- a couple of hours ago. watch. >> i think it's clear that the article in which he and his team appeared showed a poor -- showed poor judgment and -- but i also want to make sure i talk to him directly before i make any final decision and so any decision that i make with respect to general mcchrystal or any other aspect of afghan policy is determined entirely on how i can make sure that we have a strategy that justifies the enormous courage and sacrifice that those men and women are making over there and that ultimately makes this country safer. >> larry: joining us are two outstanding american war veterans who disagree on the topic. john soltz, you think the general should go. why? >> gone.