piper is a big part of our lives. >> larry: she's a girl? and you have a boy?with me here in the green room. >> larry: in new york? >> tony and gary also wanted to have everyone who was part of their story involved in their story. that met that the egg donor, holly, was someone who would be part of their lives. the surrogate also makes an appearance in their life and st stays in their lives. >> larry: why not have the egg donor also be the carrier? >> particularly for gay men who are having babies with surrogates, they have found that if the child is not a biological offspring of the surrogate -- it's called gestational is your gas surrogacy, then it's easy for that surrogate to give that child to the parents. >> larry: "in america" special hosted by the terrific soledad o'brien, one of the best in the business. "tony & gary have a baby," thursday at 8:00, repeated at 11:00. ok in the glove box. [ children laughing ] suitcase? huh? ♪ where do gummy bears hide? under the seat. look! yeah! ♪ [ telephone rings ] [ male announcer ] the all new chevy equinox. [ man

and what we are constructing from the next containment strategy is a rise in a piper anchored to the bottom of the ocean. we have a flexible cable thht goes over the wellhead through a mock permanent cap. they will process and offload tankers. days will be larger vessels -- these will be larger vessels. that is the same capability on the drill rigs. they need that because they will continually transferred to the tanker as a source of storage. they cannot move very far. that is why these are brought from the north sea. that is not the usual form of transfer. >> i'm sorry, one more. clear leader is a drillship, correct? >> yes, it's very similar to discover enterprise. >> will the clear leader stay on site? last thing i'm confused about is we have this [inaudible] it will no longer be used at that point? it will either of the drillships be used? >> at some point we will make a transition. it will be pretty crowded of there. we will move from they two production vessels, and the tanker yet to be named will replace that with two production platforms. that is the capacity we require to th

the most important features the decision we took after the piper alpha disaster to separate the licensing and regulation from the health and safety side. but that is certainly not the only lesson that we be -- that will be learned from this disaster. when we have more clear understanding of exactly what went wrong, i am certain there will be a technical and other regulatory response required. in the interim, we have made that step of improving inspections. because we have already announced the increased number of inspections, i do not believe that it would be appropriate to stop the drilling going on west of shetland. i think the regime has been shown to be robust. but we do not need -- but we do need to go on learning the lessons. on the final point that the hon. gentleman makes, i very much agree with them and that we do not need to accelerate the process of the move toward low- carbon economy. whatever else the risks are, for example with the offshore or onshore wind, the tidal stream, the future generation of wave technology, they are not in the same order of magnitude with the sort o

at some point you have to pay the piper. there is no such thing as a free lunch. we may be bar when the putting of the day of reckoning. host: is he correct when he says the borrowing is for 20 or 30 years from now. it is not for immediate use. guest: it is true the government is issuing bonds -- actually, peter, when the government is doing is borrowing, it issues bonds at anywhere from one year up to 30 years. actually what has happened in recent years -- this has started obama -- we are actually issuing more short-term wrote it -- notes because short-term interest rates are low. the average maturity of the average bond out there and i believe is only three or four years. every three or four years you have to turn over the debt. if the interest rate -- the cost of servicing this debt will rise. just to give you a sense of how badly this debt can be paired -- can be pared by congressional budget office and 01 b, if we stay on the path we are right now, 2019, the single largest expenditure in the federal government -- budget, gas, interest on the debt. we will pay

and piper kerrman on her experience in the american legal system. orange is the new black, my year in a woman's prison. book tv on c-span two. >> "washington journal" continues. host: on your screen is a gentleman by the name of brian o'neal. he is someone who has spent 21 years of his professional life as an attorney representing 32,000 alaskan fisherman and natives in their quest for damages and repneumonia ration from the exxon valdez oil spill what lessons can we learn from that experience to apply to what's happening in the gulf today? >> well, the first thing you learn is that if you're going to extract and transport oil, there's going to be catastrophic spills, and that's because people are in charge of the extraction and transportation of oil. the second thing is where the oil goes, nobody knows. in the case of the valdez, everybody thought the oil would go southeast, and it goes northwest. and it went a tremendous distance, a distance of about the length of theewest coast of the united states. so where the oil goes, you don't know. what it

piper on her experience with the american the closest imperative. booktv prime time. >> noted feminist author and legal scholar modern nussbaum, chicago law professor has contributed to more than 20 books on liberal education, ethics, sx system, in liberal justice. former budget administration attorney john ashcroft discuss the legal history surrounding the rights of terror suspects a day at a heritage foundation forum. a court ruled last month that detainees held at the air base in afghanistan do not have the right to appear in federal court. it said the possible challenge to a 2008 supreme court ruling that did extend the right of habeas corpus to guantanamo detainees. this is one hour and 15 minutes. >> it is a very great pleasure to welcome all of you to our auditorium this morning. we continue to recognize the second annual "protect america" month without concluding lecture today. our live web cast is getting under way at this time i extend a special word of greeting to all those who are joining us on myheritage.org. thank you for joining in. i

but sooner and later, he is going to have to pay the piper and face up to the fact that he is going to be in the jimmy carter hall of fame. host: jay was calling from new orleans. a couple of headlines about the gulf oil spill. "wall street journal" frontpage. also in the papers from "the new york times" national page. bp is pursuing alaska drilling that some say is risky. calls also, from "the new york times" today, impact on the gulf war fish. endangered status for bluefin tuna in the oil disaster. finally, bp claimants offered rate to pack -- fast payout. that was in "the financial times" this morning. back to your phone calls. alcott, maryland. eddie on the independent line. caller: thank you for having me. it had to be done. i wish to the troops did not have to go through what they had to go through. it was unnecessary. what the last caller touched on -- mcchrystal, he is a smart guy. he knew what he was doing, talking to that reporter for "rolling stone." host: do you agree with her theory? caller: not really, that he committed suicide, but i do think that maybe he was tired. i h

leaking information to the public if their conscience so leads, but he should be willing to pay the piper. south carolina, democrats line. caller: yeah, hi. are we talking about secrecy and democracy together? host: well, the idea in a democracy, how much access should we have to private or at least sensitive information? caller: well, you know, sensitive information, as far as going with the pentagon and so forth, you know, i mean, yes, some of that needs to probably be held in private and not gven to america. but we are in a democracy, and a democracy is defined as, you know, a country, a government that is ruled by the people and for the people. so things that are very important to us and that we need to know, i think secrecy should not even be an idea in democracy. now, discretion, yeah, sure, ok? but secrecy, no, not at all, because i don't think the founding fathers wanted anything kept from us, because we are the government. you know, we need to know. we need to know so that we can make the right decisions, so that when it comes up to the next election, we can make the right votes

the most important features the decision we took a the piper alpha disaster to separate the licensing and regulation from e health and safety side. but that is certainly not the only lesson that we be -- that will be learned from this disaster. when we have more car understanding of exactly what went wrong, i am certain there will be a technical and other regulatoryesponse required. in the interim, we have made that step of improving inspections. because we have already announced the increased number of that it uld be appropriate to stop the drilling going on west of shetland. i think the regime has been shown to be robust. but we do not need -- but we do need to gon learning the lessons. on the final point that the hon. gentleman mas, i very much agree with them and that we do no need to accelere the process of the move toward low- carbon economy. whatever else the risks are, for example with the offshore or onshore wind, t tal stream, the future generatio of wave technology, they are not in the same order of magnitude with the sort of risks we are currently running in the drillg and

the most important feature is the decision we took after the piper alphaadisaster to separate the licensing and regulation from the health and safety side. but that is certainly not the only lesson that will be learned from this disaster. when we have more clear understanding of exactly what went wrong, i am certain there will be aatechnical and other regulatory response is required. in the interim, we have made that step of improving inspections. because we have already announced the increased number of inspections, i do not believe that it would be appropriate to stop the drilling going on west of shetland. i think that a regime has been shown to be robust. but we do need to go on learning the lessons. on the final point that the hon. gentleman makes, i very much agree with him and that we do need to accelerate the process of the move toward low-carb and economy. whatever else the risks and evolve, for example with the tidal stream, the future generation of way of technology, they are not in the same order of magnitude with the the sort of risks we are currently running in the drilling an