i mean i trust dick donner. he is a veteran. i wouldn't ever, ever presume to have a better way than he has. i mean, it's a different way, i'm sure. and at times -- >> larry: you never want to say do it this way? >> but we do. it's that kind of relationship. well can go hey, dick, what if -- and he'll go good idea, kid. that's what makes him good because he is wide open. he always says i'm just a traffic cop here. and i've learned from that. i think that's your function as a director, to take everyone else's talent and try to use the best of it and draw it all together. >> larry: jodie foster said she likes directing better in that it's easier. you're in charge, the ball of wax is yours, you're the signoff, that's it. acting is nor difficult. >> in a way, because you have to trust more. when you're the ringmaster there, there is -- it's pretty comfortable. i liked it. it's basically just storytelling. and if you can tell a good story and use those tools to do it, and have a lot of talented people to come and assist you do it, an