and you know so while there may have been some suppositions that could have existed to support dr duesberg theories back then you know let's deal with what we know now the drug companies have made these drugs a lot less toxic they have gotten the formulations down to the point where now we're about to see for drugs introduced in a single pill once a day that's never been in existence before we have very exciting new findings such as dr brewer just mentioned with the it's an off of your gel which is cutting incidence of contracting hiv in half by people who use it correctly denise which you say maybe if we can say more broadly is there a why debate would be the discussion about how to deal with aids because there will be people like professor the professor that we have in the program and damn people that support him saying that there is no debate allowed in this in this endeavor is how would you describe that is there a debate on how things should be done or is it just so close to narrow now that other voices can't be heard. points i mean any voice can be heard i think people are free to ex

that gets attention and it's based on completely obsolete data it can actually cause harm you know dr duesberg was on president mbeki advisory council and was one of the real voices that led him to you know really decide that hiv didn't cause aids and to pull the plug on a lot of programs that could have saved hundreds of thousands of people's lives that's dangerous so i think that all people should be able to say these things and be presented you know as part of data to be considered when someone in power who's already a little unbalanced gets a piece of information like that it can really have disastrous consequences so i'm worried about that and i just think that this really ought to go away we should be focusing on the future and you know how to improve things from here how to get these drugs into more people's hands especially in the developing world and stop really chasing our tail about something that has no relevance anymore ok professor i mean there was an allegation against you are you a dangerous man. if if a den isn't steve saying that science is dangerous speaking the truth is spe