. >> i'm curious a couple of years ago after he died the senator strong ferman had a parallel family. i wonder when you first heard that what were you're feelings? >> um -- there was such a lack of surprise. [laughter]. um -- but it that was just so common in the south. it was so incredibly common that that it was not surprise at all. >> there was a protocol and when you grow up in a concern way you don't think about it. there was a protocol in southern towns where there is a man and he has an official family and a side family or 2 side families or whatever it is. and the protocol is if you are on the public street, if you are walking down the street you don't acknowledge one another. you don't say anything. you might actually converse and you might not. you might converse behind closed doors but never do it in public. and i know that that happened with my mother's family a lot. because they were so fair. but if you got whooped as a child if you said something to uncle billy. kind of thing. and so there was that dynamic that has just so many protocols attached to it. and so when that