companies have to go to state regulators or, in some cases, the federal regulators other than them, fercr example, in order to get rate increases to generate the funds necessary to make these repairs. the underground infrastructure is very expensive. host: so how does that affect public safety? guest: well, one of the reasons that fmsa came out with the pipes act in 2004 was to try to identify ahead of time pipelines that need care and attention and to look at and try to both identify and manage potential issues before, you know, they get to the point where they could cause an accident. host: but the mapping system is here, the areas have been identified, but we still have accidents. guest: yeah, unfortunately, there's too much bureaucracy involved, and it's too long of a process. and what we have to do, and the administration right now is looking to reauthorize the pipeline program, we've got to look for ways to be faster, more nimble, in order to respond to potential threats once they're identified. host: when you have a complex of state and federal regulators and private, how can you