but michael franzes ze has managed to avoid both and still can show his face on the streets that he captained. >> some around here, too, in this section, too, but this was our town. this was us, so -- we had it wrapped up. >> reporter: this mobster turned minister has come back to brooklyn on a mission from god. to pay a jailhouse visit to his mafia boss father in an effort to save his soul from hell. and that would be no small feat. because sonny is a living legend. fbi wiretaps have captured this underboss ofbragging about the dozens of men he killed and bragging about his favorite ways to dispose of bodies. >> terrible. he wasn't indicted for that but terrible. >> reporter: so when you sit down with your dad can you imagine him doing these things, these heinous things? the father you love? you can imagine it? >> i can, yeah. you know why i can, bill? because i was part of that life. and i understand. am i ashamed of it yeah. >> reporter: so, how are you instructed in the differences between right and wrong? what was your moral cold in your house growing up? >> believe it or not, my dad tol