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the jury said they were deadlocked. we are following the developments from court house east. him?d, the only word from the jury was the message to the judge saying they are deadlocked on two charges. the judge ordered them back into deliberations to try to come to a consensus. >> obviously, they are considering the case very seriously. that is all anyone could ask for. it could be that 11 are holding out in favor of acquittal. it could be another number. >> there are a lot of unknowns about what is going on in the jury deliberation room. what we do know is around noon wednesday the jury sent a message to the judge saying they could not reach a unanimous verdict on the counts of felony murder and conspiracy. the three defendants, charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams face three charges related to the murder in september 2008. attorneys do not know whether the jury has already reached a verdict on the other charges or not. >> they may not have gotten to the rest of the case or they may have already decided. >> in the first days of deliberation, the jury asked a number o
the jury said they were deadlocked. we are following the developments from court house east. him?d, the only word from the jury was the message to the judge saying they are deadlocked on two charges. the judge ordered them back into deliberations to try to come to a consensus. >> obviously, they are considering the case very seriously. that is all anyone could ask for. it could be that 11 are holding out in favor of acquittal. it could be another number. >> there are a lot of...
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is sending a message he is up for the death penalty and the same jury will come back and decide his fate. they will decide sentencing in another hearing to immediately follow this. so the same jury that will decide guilt or innocence will decide whether he should be put to death or not. we have a sheet with all the different counts on it. as this is read i'll be going through it to figure out what's the regular murder charge versus the capital murder charge and we'll get a quick read about whether he faces the death penalty or not, contessa. i'm seeing more and more security guards coming to the courtroom now so we believe this is getting close. >> so you were explaining to me earlier in this process and, again, we were talking about whether this was considered a quick decision or a slow decision and a lot of watchers thought the jury would be in and out because there was a lot of evidence in this particular case but what are some of the questions the jurors wanted answered in order to -- wait, wait, wait. we're getting it in. count one guilty. >> repor
is sending a message he is up for the death penalty and the same jury will come back and decide his fate. they will decide sentencing in another hearing to immediately follow this. so the same jury that will decide guilt or innocence will decide whether he should be put to death or not. we have a sheet with all the different counts on it. as this is read i'll be going through it to figure out what's the regular murder charge versus the capital murder charge and we'll get a quick read about...
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would that argument sway the jury? here is dennis murphy. >> the world of pills -- prescription medicines, pharmaceuticals, is where he made it big. >> he was moses. he was walking on water. everybody loved him. >> paul seemed to go straight from a college intern job behind the druggist counter to the big money lifestyle of a pharmaceutical executive. on the way up, he struck so many bosses as a natural with innovative ways to make money out of medicine. >> he could do almost anything. >> for years, this hard-charging golden boy seemed to have all the perks and bennies an executive could want. a million dollar paycheck, beautiful house in the suburbs, wife and kids. just like that it all slipped away. there wasn't a pill on the shelf to reverse the dizzying decline. >> he did say, you know, everything that i've worked for, you know, is gone. my reputation is -- i'm struggling to hold on to that. >> someone was siccing industry watch dogs on him, slurring his name with innuendo about shady deals and kickbacks. as it turn
would that argument sway the jury? here is dennis murphy. >> the world of pills -- prescription medicines, pharmaceuticals, is where he made it big. >> he was moses. he was walking on water. everybody loved him. >> paul seemed to go straight from a college intern job behind the druggist counter to the big money lifestyle of a pharmaceutical executive. on the way up, he struck so many bosses as a natural with innovative ways to make money out of medicine. >> he could do...
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another theory for the jury to consider. he allegation that his banishment to samoa had given him a motive to kill his parents. what you are about to see as christopher described the program probably wasn't in the defense strategy. >> level two is a loud to go on the bathroom on his own. its allowed to have some more privileges. and then -- >> reporter: something in the memories on that island struck a nerve. >> how were you feeling physically during that time? >> i was what they called in denial. >> do you need a break? >> yeah. >> reporter: strange. stoic for the rest of his testimony. yet in the process of trying to dismiss samoa as a murder motive he cried about his experience there. so, revealing? attorney fleisher put the best spin on it he could. >> i think that showed his honesty as a witness. >> i cried when i got off the plane. >> reporter: when court resumed. christopher told the jury that while he was initially upset about being sent to samoa, he got over it, made the best of it. when his parents and melissa and h
another theory for the jury to consider. he allegation that his banishment to samoa had given him a motive to kill his parents. what you are about to see as christopher described the program probably wasn't in the defense strategy. >> level two is a loud to go on the bathroom on his own. its allowed to have some more privileges. and then -- >> reporter: something in the memories on that island struck a nerve. >> how were you feeling physically during that time? >> i was...
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what's going to go on, star, inside the jury room? ey have heard horrific testimony, seen horrifying pictures. >> i have no idea how they've been able to sit there. i could barely read the account of the testimony. >> i'm with you the ex-prosecutor in me says kill them now, do not pass go, do not collect $200, push the plunger, want your hands, go home and kiss your children. they should be gone. this specific defendant, mr mr. hayes is responsible for every aspect, either as a principal or accessory. >> which is not what his lawyer says. his lawyer says, dan, yes, he was there, yes, he did strangle the mom, but he did it under duress, because the other guy, he knew, was wielding a baseball bat and, frankly, he was sort of portrayed as this guy who was a petty thief who got caught up in this horrible event the problem with that, it's not a defense to the charge, meaning when talking about felony murder, all he has to have done actually intended to do was one of the felonies, which could be the rape, robbery, arson. >> does it have to b
what's going to go on, star, inside the jury room? ey have heard horrific testimony, seen horrifying pictures. >> i have no idea how they've been able to sit there. i could barely read the account of the testimony. >> i'm with you the ex-prosecutor in me says kill them now, do not pass go, do not collect $200, push the plunger, want your hands, go home and kiss your children. they should be gone. this specific defendant, mr mr. hayes is responsible for every aspect, either as a...
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that extraordinary moment when the jury declared o.j. simpson not guilty of murder. tonight mr. simpson is out of jail and at home celebrating with his family and some of his friends. all of the other participants, much of the country, are trying to come to closure with the case that had millions of us involved, as one lawyer said as if we were the 13th juror. first, here's aaron brown. >> mr. cochran -- mr. simpson, would you please stand and face the jury. >> more than a year after jury selection first began and after a night of incredible suspense, the trial of o.j. simpson ended. >> we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder upon nicole brown simpson a human being as charged in count 1 of the information. >> and then with the sobs of the goldman family in the background, with fred goldman mouthing the word "murderer," the second not guilty verdict was read. >> we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder, a felony, upon ronald goldm
that extraordinary moment when the jury declared o.j. simpson not guilty of murder. tonight mr. simpson is out of jail and at home celebrating with his family and some of his friends. all of the other participants, much of the country, are trying to come to closure with the case that had millions of us involved, as one lawyer said as if we were the 13th juror. first, here's aaron brown. >> mr. cochran -- mr. simpson, would you please stand and face the jury. >> more than a year...
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. >>> it's up the jury. the controversial evidence that a juryyin the murder of a ccty councilman must consider today. >>> teeendating violence. how to keep your child afe. >>> the ravens pull out a win on steelers turf.3 what baltimore thinks about their team's super bowl chances now. >>> good morning. it's monday, october 24th. 4th. you''e takingga live look ooer the inner harbor. a lot of people waking up very happy because of the ravens win yesterdayyover the pittsburgh steellrs. good morniig, i'm patrice harris. out there. a look at the weather a little rainy out theree although i don't think anyone caaes..3 >>> we don't havv ffood washes of any kiid as this is goiig to be gradual raii through the day, nnt the heavy dose we got last week. we will be able to andle this. there are showers, you will need the umbrella this morning. as you can see n the sky hd radarr plenty of showers that are going to gather around this morning through the afternoonn tuesday and wednesday we will have to deaa which a you few
. >>> it's up the jury. the controversial evidence that a juryyin the murder of a ccty councilman must consider today. >>> teeendating violence. how to keep your child afe. >>> the ravens pull out a win on steelers turf.3 what baltimore thinks about their team's super bowl chances now. >>> good morning. it's monday, october 24th. 4th. you''e takingga live look ooer the inner harbor. a lot of people waking up very happy because of the ravens win yesterdayyover...
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the jury in the ken harris trial is yet to reach a verdict. what's the hold up? >> hello, i'm don scott. and i'm jessica kartalija. nearby here's what people are talking about today. there's five days around still, no verdict in the ken harris murder trial. this is a day after they were told they couldn't reach the decision on the charges. derek valcourt has more on the problems the panel is now facing. >> reporter: hi, jessica, the jurors have been back at it. they've started around the 9:00 hour. the deliberation was set for day five. they were having disagreement and not able to reach a unanimous consensus. the judge asked them to keep on working. jurors said they're not able to reach a unanimous decision on the two most important charges in the case. felony murder and conspiracy to commit murder. the judge urged them to keep on deliberating. the three are accused of murdering ken harris in 2008. he was visiting the haven long and he walked in on a robbery and he tried to get away and he was shot in the back. dna evidence implements the suspects spotted in sur
the jury in the ken harris trial is yet to reach a verdict. what's the hold up? >> hello, i'm don scott. and i'm jessica kartalija. nearby here's what people are talking about today. there's five days around still, no verdict in the ken harris murder trial. this is a day after they were told they couldn't reach the decision on the charges. derek valcourt has more on the problems the panel is now facing. >> reporter: hi, jessica, the jurors have been back at it. they've started...
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. >>> still no clue as to what's holding up the jury in the kent harris trial. tonight, concern about whether this jury will ever reach a decision. wjz stays on the story live at courthouse east downtown. derek valcourt is there, following the case. >> reporter: it's the fifth day of deliberations. and we did not hear anything from the jury today, not even a question, still no verdict. >>> 22-year-old charles mcgainey and gary collins and 17-year-old jerome williams face a long list of charges for the september of 2008 murder of baltimore city councilman ken harris and the armed robbery of the haven lounge in northeast baltimore. harris stopped at the nightclub to borrow a cork screw and to use the bathroom when he walked in on a robbery by three masked men. he tried to run and was shot in the back, devastating his family and the city. >> my husband was a true champion for justice. he kind the -- understood the meaning of community and people working together. i stand here on behalf of the harris family when i say that i want justice to prevail. >> reporter: pros
. >>> still no clue as to what's holding up the jury in the kent harris trial. tonight, concern about whether this jury will ever reach a decision. wjz stays on the story live at courthouse east downtown. derek valcourt is there, following the case. >> reporter: it's the fifth day of deliberations. and we did not hear anything from the jury today, not even a question, still no verdict. >>> 22-year-old charles mcgainey and gary collins and 17-year-old jerome williams face...
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i don't know how the jury will react. penalty cases. you don't have patterns for knowing what jurors react to in death penalty cases and not, but the jurors -- one thing prosecutors always can say in a case like this is, if not the death penalty for this case, then for what? >> sunny, we've seen the pictures of this guy buying, i guess it was hayes, buying gasoline before they even did this job. you know, did the robbery that then turned into the murder. that seems to show premeditation to at least want to burn down the house, which seems to indicate they maybe were planning to kill these people. >> well, certainly, and i think that's been the question all along. did he have the intent to kill? because in his statement to the detective that interviewed him right afterwards, he said i was just in this for the money. the plan changed. things got out of control. but the fact that he was caught as we're showing on tape buying gasoline and he also admitted to pouring gasoline on the staircase which was the only exit for the pet
i don't know how the jury will react. penalty cases. you don't have patterns for knowing what jurors react to in death penalty cases and not, but the jurors -- one thing prosecutors always can say in a case like this is, if not the death penalty for this case, then for what? >> sunny, we've seen the pictures of this guy buying, i guess it was hayes, buying gasoline before they even did this job. you know, did the robbery that then turned into the murder. that seems to show premeditation...
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but the jury didn't care. now garcia may never be free again. mark's widow hugged the prosecutor after the jury returned three guilty verdicts against the suspects. >> they did an amazing job. an amazing job. our family is a strong family. >> reporter: it was a love triangle that turned into a murder for hire case. mark sold his two bars to garcia. they both dated the same bartender. the day the jury ruled garcia hired a hitman for $9,500 to kill achilles. but no one is celebrating. >> it's a somber day. i'm pleased with the jury's verdict. but it's not a happy day. because mark is dead and his family and friends still miss him. >> reporter: he agrees there are no winners. >> incredibly sad result for both families. i expect there will be an appeal. i think an appeal will have some merit. >> reporter: garcia and the hired triggerman now face what's called l-one, life without parole. a middleman faces 25 to life. all three guilty of first-degree murder. >> we're stronger in our faith and stronger for the outcome. so thanks for everything. >> repor
but the jury didn't care. now garcia may never be free again. mark's widow hugged the prosecutor after the jury returned three guilty verdicts against the suspects. >> they did an amazing job. an amazing job. our family is a strong family. >> reporter: it was a love triangle that turned into a murder for hire case. mark sold his two bars to garcia. they both dated the same bartender. the day the jury ruled garcia hired a hitman for $9,500 to kill achilles. but no one is celebrating....
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. >>> the jury in the ken harris case reached a verdict. wjz-13 is live outside.e hellgren has more and the three men charged. >> reporter: well, good afternoon. the deliberations lasted more than a week and the jury was dead looked before this morning. and the jury found jerome williams guilty and charles mcgainny guilty on all counts, however, the defendant, gary colins was found not guilty of the murder, he was found guilty of several assault and handgun charges related to the robbery at the lounge. ken harris was killed in september of 2008 when he went to borrow a corkscrew and there was a robbery in progress. prosecutors relied on the dna evidence. and they have surveillance video that put the defendants at the scene and in the end, two guilty verdicts and one not guilty and harris' widow and the owner of the haven expressed confidence that justice would be served all along. harris is a father of two and he served on the baltimore city council before running for city council president. we saw patricia jessamy on the case. and we're gathering the reaction fro
. >>> the jury in the ken harris case reached a verdict. wjz-13 is live outside.e hellgren has more and the three men charged. >> reporter: well, good afternoon. the deliberations lasted more than a week and the jury was dead looked before this morning. and the jury found jerome williams guilty and charles mcgainny guilty on all counts, however, the defendant, gary colins was found not guilty of the murder, he was found guilty of several assault and handgun charges related to the...
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the judge charged the jury going over the instructions, that the jury needed to come in for clarificationtorneys in this case wanted clarification on one of the counts and wanted to talk about how the exhibits would work as far as how they would be brought into the jury deliberation room and what they would see. 200 pieces of evidence that were shown during the trial will be brought into that room. we know from watching the jurors in this trial that a lot of those exhibits for hard for them to watch. specifically the crime scene photos that we'll pass around were too gruesome and heartbreaking to show in open court. that of the bodies that were found on the bed. we have seen the pictures of the burned out beds that were inside the petit home. the jury had a difficult time seeing that. a couple of them did cry. but they are in there now, they have begun deliberations. we'll bring you the latest from the courtroom when they start asking questions. megyn: what a task they have before them. the terror threat overseas, security tight in europe now a brand-new country is urging caution. details
the judge charged the jury going over the instructions, that the jury needed to come in for clarificationtorneys in this case wanted clarification on one of the counts and wanted to talk about how the exhibits would work as far as how they would be brought into the jury deliberation room and what they would see. 200 pieces of evidence that were shown during the trial will be brought into that room. we know from watching the jurors in this trial that a lot of those exhibits for hard for them to...
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but they do have a chance i will discount that. >> the other issues jury instruction the case should be overturned and prior to oscar grants anything significant? >> not significant but you never know what the judge will glove onto and find some important. one of the things are talking that is the use of the weapon being inconsistent with the involuntary manslaughter verdict. so with that that goes more to sentencing. if they're successful in that argument i think the judge will not grant the new trial and say i'm not going to sentence him on the gun used and i will only sentence on the involuntary manslaughter which is a two, three or four year sentence. >> all of this coming up in november. thank-you. yesterday we reported the caltrans is considering cutting service in grazing fees. now we have learned that caltrans administrative payroll has grown 14 percent over the last three years. when benefits are added and the total compensation jumped 34%. this pay raise comes as the transit agency grappled with the $2 million budget deficit. as caltrans spokesperson explains those numbers
but they do have a chance i will discount that. >> the other issues jury instruction the case should be overturned and prior to oscar grants anything significant? >> not significant but you never know what the judge will glove onto and find some important. one of the things are talking that is the use of the weapon being inconsistent with the involuntary manslaughter verdict. so with that that goes more to sentencing. if they're successful in that argument i think the judge will not...
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the jury is taking their seats, i'm being told. jon: we should point out that this guy who is on trial, steven hayes, steven hayes basically tried to sell out the accused accomplice in this crime, tried to say it's really kam arsavesky's fought, it was not supposed to be a murder, is was possessed to be simply a robbery. >> that's correct. he gave one of the police detectives in this case, when he was brought into custody, he sat down and laid out a lot of the facts. again, he has confessed according to one of the police detectives to a majority of the charges against him, he admits they broke into the home, he admits he took jennifer hawk petit to the bank to withdraw $15,000 out of her bank account, when they realized there was not a safe inside of the house, they went through the purses, her jewelry box, they didn't get a lot, when they saw her bank book, they said things are changing now, we're going to go to the bank, and the idea was, according to the two suspects, accord -- suspect ed the idea was to keep the family members a
the jury is taking their seats, i'm being told. jon: we should point out that this guy who is on trial, steven hayes, steven hayes basically tried to sell out the accused accomplice in this crime, tried to say it's really kam arsavesky's fought, it was not supposed to be a murder, is was possessed to be simply a robbery. >> that's correct. he gave one of the police detectives in this case, when he was brought into custody, he sat down and laid out a lot of the facts. again, he has...
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the fog that judge jury did use the gun in his bank could add significant time to his sentence. >> we know the trial will have huge implications on how police officers to engage our community moving forward. we know that in order for police officers to be held accountable we have to get a fair and just sentence. >> now los angeles judge is expected to rule on the motion for new trial on nov. that that is the day that johannes mehserle is scheduled to be sent in spirited oakland city hall kron 4 news. >> cal train and is considering cutting service and raising fees as the transit agency faces a $2 million budget deficit but, now we're learning caltrans administrator payroll has grown to 14 percent over the past three years. when benefits are added and the total compensation just there to 34%. if the pay raise comes as the transit agency grappled with the $2 million budget deficit. caltrans crisi. they say most employees have not had a pay raise since 2008. >> the salaries that are included in the cal train operating budget to have gone up 14%. that doesn't mean my salaries gone up for
the fog that judge jury did use the gun in his bank could add significant time to his sentence. >> we know the trial will have huge implications on how police officers to engage our community moving forward. we know that in order for police officers to be held accountable we have to get a fair and just sentence. >> now los angeles judge is expected to rule on the motion for new trial on nov. that that is the day that johannes mehserle is scheduled to be sent in spirited oakland city...
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and that is for the jury. -hat these gennlemen were involved is the lynch pin at proving that. they may do because of the presence of tte dna, they you have a conviction. -ut you know, in thisstype of cass, the defense is frequently ssme other person did it. >> right. >> and that is -- >> that's part of what thee're saying now.3 there was dnaaevidence on some also some dna that wasere wasú attributed to people who have not beee identified. it eems easy for the defenne to say, somebody eese could ave done this?ú >> that's theeargument. >> the rgument is we have ssme dna that is not explaiind. how do we know tha ttht wasn'' t merely being invooved in with that mask at some point in the past is not enough..3 it's up or the jury to see -hat. with reasonable ddubt, ssmetimes the jury will give the benefit of tte doubt to theedefense.ú >> in his case, we have three attorreys repressnting each of the defendants. even if you found dna of onee3 client, my client's dna isn't oo it. you can't implicaae all three and take
and that is for the jury. -hat these gennlemen were involved is the lynch pin at proving that. they may do because of the presence of tte dna, they you have a conviction. -ut you know, in thisstype of cass, the defense is frequently ssme other person did it. >> right. >> and that is -- >> that's part of what thee're saying now.3 there was dnaaevidence on some also some dna that wasere wasú attributed to people who have not beee identified. it eems easy for the defenne to say,...
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the judge instructed the jury to keep on deliberating in the trial against 22-year-old charles mcgainey and garrett collins and 17-year-old jerome williams. they're accused of murdering city councilman ken harris in 2008. that night, harris was visiting the haven lounge in northeast baltimore, when he walked in on a robbery. he tried to get away and was shot in the back. proosecutors -- prosecutors argue that gloves and dna masks implicate the suspects who were
the judge instructed the jury to keep on deliberating in the trial against 22-year-old charles mcgainey and garrett collins and 17-year-old jerome williams. they're accused of murdering city councilman ken harris in 2008. that night, harris was visiting the haven lounge in northeast baltimore, when he walked in on a robbery. he tried to get away and was shot in the back. proosecutors -- prosecutors argue that gloves and dna masks implicate the suspects who were
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i never argued to the jury that he did. t in time where he made the conscious decision -- he says, you know what? here's where i'm at. and this is what i have to do. and he carried through with it. >> and what does that make it? >> that makes it a first-degree murder. >> and how could the jury know? the dna put him there that night. the tape-recorded lie revealed a guilty conscience. still, when the jury retired to consider a verdict, and the first full day dragged by with no verdict -- >> i was scared to death they were going to say not guilty. looking at the jurors' faces, i just couldn't tell where they were going. >> it took them a day and a half. arturo gutierrez was found guilty of murder in the first degree. a secret preserved by a cigarette for 14 years finally produced justice, that and a detective's determined patience. >> any time you convict a murderer, that's a good thing. but when you convict somebody that you know has gotten away with it for 14 years, that's a long time. and so to finally see justice served, t
i never argued to the jury that he did. t in time where he made the conscious decision -- he says, you know what? here's where i'm at. and this is what i have to do. and he carried through with it. >> and what does that make it? >> that makes it a first-degree murder. >> and how could the jury know? the dna put him there that night. the tape-recorded lie revealed a guilty conscience. still, when the jury retired to consider a verdict, and the first full day dragged by with no...
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as soon as the jury reaches a decision. >>> a warehouse full of pot. it is the biggest drug bust in baltimore county history. jessica is live in the newsroom with more on police coverage. >> the suspects were renting a warehouse. a marijuana-growing operation. check this out. this is where police compensated when they raided the 7600 block of canton center drive near eastpoint. more than 450 marijuana plants, 640 pounds of processed marijuana. and $12,000 in cash. 39-year-old joseph guadnole and megan veich are in custody. >> joseph gaudanole is being held on bail. >>> there is blame going around for a teacher. a scathing re report released -- report released today said multiple security failures are on blame for the death of the teacher. the boy charged with homicide and attempted rape. >>> get the shot and stop the bug. flu season is here. and after last year's pandemic, health officials are stressing the importance of vaccines. but not everybody is listening. kendis gibson is reporting from washington. >> this year's flu shot comes with a little extr
as soon as the jury reaches a decision. >>> a warehouse full of pot. it is the biggest drug bust in baltimore county history. jessica is live in the newsroom with more on police coverage. >> the suspects were renting a warehouse. a marijuana-growing operation. check this out. this is where police compensated when they raided the 7600 block of canton center drive near eastpoint. more than 450 marijuana plants, 640 pounds of processed marijuana. and $12,000 in cash. 39-year-old...
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speculation tonight about what is holding up the jury in the murder trial. following the case of the three men charged with killing the former baltimore city councilman. derek? >> reporter: the jury was at it all day. a third full day of deliberations. and so far, no verdict. and today, the jury asked the judge if they could examine the actual bullet that killed ken harris. >>> defendants face a long list of criminal charges in connection with the september of 2008 murderer. baltimore city councilman ken harris. on that night, harris physicalled -- visited the haven lounge. but he walked in on a robbery. tried to get away and was shot in the back. prosecutors told jurors the dna on key evidence like gloves and a halloween mask used during the robbery links the three defendants to the crime and they showed surveillance video that prosecutors argue puts it at the crime scene. today, the jurors asked to examine more evidence themselves. and asked to see testimony transcripts which are not yet available. defense attorneys believe a jury taking their time could b
speculation tonight about what is holding up the jury in the murder trial. following the case of the three men charged with killing the former baltimore city councilman. derek? >> reporter: the jury was at it all day. a third full day of deliberations. and so far, no verdict. and today, the jury asked the judge if they could examine the actual bullet that killed ken harris. >>> defendants face a long list of criminal charges in connection with the september of 2008 murderer....
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we appreciate everything detective morrow has done, the states attorneys office, the jury, the judge, and even you media that helped us keep her story out there over the years. it is just justice for tracey. that's all i can say. >> after more than a week of testimony and three days worth of jury deliberations, the jury handed down the conviction 2:00 friday. states attorney scott shellenberger and two others tried the case and said the case was blown wide open by detective bill morrow who the defense tried to discredit. >> he worked hard, took hits in the courtroom, but i think this is a validation of what a great detective he is. >> tracey tetso had been missing since march 5, 2005. the key piece of evidence that turned the once cold case hot was a remote key fob to her transam. evidence shows there was only one key fob and dennis tetso gave it to police and they believe he used it in this surveillance video. >> seeing the lights and the brakes of that car flash on and off and knowing the person who had the key fob in their hand. that brought the pieces of the puzzle together. >> th
we appreciate everything detective morrow has done, the states attorneys office, the jury, the judge, and even you media that helped us keep her story out there over the years. it is just justice for tracey. that's all i can say. >> after more than a week of testimony and three days worth of jury deliberations, the jury handed down the conviction 2:00 friday. states attorney scott shellenberger and two others tried the case and said the case was blown wide open by detective bill morrow...
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derek valcourt is live, where the jury is trying to come to a decision. derek? >> reporter: there is a lot for the jurors in this case to consider. after all, they have sat through more than two weeks of testimony and seen dozens of exhibits, including dna and forensic evidence. >> reporter: >> reporter: prosecutors say dna on key evidence, allegedly used during the robbery, links the three defendants to the murder of city councilman ken harris, killed outside of the nightclub in 2008. prosecutors reminded jurors of surveillance testimony. and showed video that put hill at the crime scene. a juror said they are all three equally responsible for everything involved in this case. and they came there locked and loaded. police say ken harris visit the lounge to borrow a cork screw and to use the bathroom. but he walked in on a robbery, tried to get away, and was shot in the back. his sudden death stunned his family and the city. >> my husband was a true champion for justice. he understood the mean of community and people working together. >> i stand here when i say i
derek valcourt is live, where the jury is trying to come to a decision. derek? >> reporter: there is a lot for the jurors in this case to consider. after all, they have sat through more than two weeks of testimony and seen dozens of exhibits, including dna and forensic evidence. >> reporter: >> reporter: prosecutors say dna on key evidence, allegedly used during the robbery, links the three defendants to the murder of city councilman ken harris, killed outside of the nightclub...
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seems the jury is no closer to a verdict. -- the former city councilman ken harris, and it seems the jury is no closer to a verdict on felony murder and conspiracy. >> they are considering the case seriously. that is all anyone can ask for. it could be that 11 are holding out in favor of acquittal. it could be another number. >> charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams faced 29 charges each. no one is sure whether it the deadlock is over the first or last charges. >> they may have gotten to the rest of the case or not. it is anybody's guess. >> the defendants, lawyers, and prosecutors were in the room as the judge read the jury their instructions again and sent them back into deliberations. it is a waiting game for the defendants and everyone involved. >> they are waiting patiently with complete faith in the jury. >> deliberations will continue for a fourth day tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. >> thank you. the u.s. supreme court heard an emotionally charged case that could redefine the first amendment right of free speech. it involves the westborough baptist protest of the funeral of
seems the jury is no closer to a verdict. -- the former city councilman ken harris, and it seems the jury is no closer to a verdict on felony murder and conspiracy. >> they are considering the case seriously. that is all anyone can ask for. it could be that 11 are holding out in favor of acquittal. it could be another number. >> charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams faced 29 charges each. no one is sure whether it the deadlock is over the first or last charges. >>...
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he would eventually denied saying, "i will deny the motion because this is a jury trial. if a judge was deciding, things might be different. >> it would be different if it were perceived that the stay was producing testimony as the prosecutor said that deceived the jury. >> they asked him if he had lied or deceive the jury in any way and he responded no. the state will pick up its case on monday morning. >> how prepared are first responders if aid disaster happens in our area. where are federal dollars being spent to have a homeland security issues? >> the homeland security secretary came to find out how many for tools and resources is being spent in this area. looking and rows and rows of boots and seeing generator after may not impress most, but she wanted to know more about held the region's first responders are. >> what is impressive is the quality of the people here. they're very experienced. they train well. they cooperate across jurisdictional lines and work really well with fema, which is our primary federal responders. >> the pellicano came to baltimore to see thi
he would eventually denied saying, "i will deny the motion because this is a jury trial. if a judge was deciding, things might be different. >> it would be different if it were perceived that the stay was producing testimony as the prosecutor said that deceived the jury. >> they asked him if he had lied or deceive the jury in any way and he responded no. the state will pick up its case on monday morning. >> how prepared are first responders if aid disaster happens in our...
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we appreciate everything the detective has done -- the state attorney's office, the jury, the judge, and even you media who has helped us keep the story of their over the years. it is justice for her. that is all i can say. >> after more than a week of testimony and jury deliberations, the jury handed down the decision of around 2:00 on saturday. on friday. those who tried the case say it was blown up wide open. >> he worked hard, and took hits in the courtroom, but this is a validation of what a find an honorable man he is. >> tracey tetso have been missing since march 5, 2005. the key piece of evidence was the remote key to her vehicle. evidence showed there was only one, and dennis tetso actually gave it to police, and they believe he used it in this surveillance video. >> to see the lights flash on and off, and knowing the person had it in their hand, that sealed it for me, and brought a lot of the other pieces together. >> the defense put the only witness, and dennis tetso, on the stand, who told the jury he never laid a hand on his wife. they also try to discredit the detective
we appreciate everything the detective has done -- the state attorney's office, the jury, the judge, and even you media who has helped us keep the story of their over the years. it is justice for her. that is all i can say. >> after more than a week of testimony and jury deliberations, the jury handed down the decision of around 2:00 on saturday. on friday. those who tried the case say it was blown up wide open. >> he worked hard, and took hits in the courtroom, but this is a...
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>>reporter: penalty phase is next for hayes scheduled for october 18 and the same jury that decided the guilt will be back. they are the ones that will decide whether hayes will get the death penalty or life in prison. now, dr. petit who has been present during each day of the trial is expected to attend the penalty phase for hayes which will most likely bring up more hard evidence and testimony to get through and all of us have wondered how he has been able to get through this each day and he told reporters today they would do the same thing if their family was destroyed birr -- by evil. >> do i want to do it? do i look forward to it? no i get nausea when i walk across the street, but ... i think i do it for my family and i think all of you would do the same thing for your families. >>reporter: most believe the next trial for joshua komisarjevsky, the other suspect in the case, will be even more difficult to get through because joshua komisarjevsky is the one who is accused of raping the 11-year-old before the two suspects set the house on fire or somebody set the house on fire and eve
>>reporter: penalty phase is next for hayes scheduled for october 18 and the same jury that decided the guilt will be back. they are the ones that will decide whether hayes will get the death penalty or life in prison. now, dr. petit who has been present during each day of the trial is expected to attend the penalty phase for hayes which will most likely bring up more hard evidence and testimony to get through and all of us have wondered how he has been able to get through this each day...
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that gave the jury the alternative to go second, of voluntary or involuntary tried to get their the juryad i'm not guilty of second not guilty of voluntary leaving the involuntary guilty. if they go back to trial if the d.a. doesn't get to retry the second or the voluntary. he has to go back and tried as an involuntary manslaughter >> them a tougher or easier? >> takes away the second degree or the 15th like punishment makes a whole lot better for off a surge johannes mehserle where he's only facing the lesser punishment. >> the family gets a chance the prosecution gets a chance to present arguments against the new trial. >> absolutely the d.a. i'm sure is writing his denial or opposition to the motion for the new trial if he already has and filed it. they don't want to go back to this trial. >> covered the fifth will be the date we will know. thank you michael cardozo were added to date we will know. thank you michael cardozo were added to the break will be right back. jobs. as attorney general, jerry rn brown took on wall street banks, mortgage scammers and public officials stealing fr
that gave the jury the alternative to go second, of voluntary or involuntary tried to get their the juryad i'm not guilty of second not guilty of voluntary leaving the involuntary guilty. if they go back to trial if the d.a. doesn't get to retry the second or the voluntary. he has to go back and tried as an involuntary manslaughter >> them a tougher or easier? >> takes away the second degree or the 15th like punishment makes a whole lot better for off a surge johannes mehserle where...
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this is the jury pool. the jury pool is constantly affected and infected by nancy grace, law-and-order. it is constantly being polluted -- i truly believe this -- by the media. it sounds silly but it is not. i really believe in the power of media to influence people. that is why i got in it. so we have to use it to our advantage. you have got to be in it to win it. if we are not controlling our image, someone else is. so you have got to start thinking about the way that the image of the public defender is going to be portrayed, either in dramatic television -- over which you will have a lot less control. or certainly, in news media. years ago, i got a phone call from a public defender in san francisco. he had a case receiving a lot of media attention, and he wanted me to come to cover the case for 20/20. some of his colleagues thought he was not to. what are you bringing a barbara walters in to cover a case at the san francisco public defender's office? they turned their noses up at him and thought it was s
this is the jury pool. the jury pool is constantly affected and infected by nancy grace, law-and-order. it is constantly being polluted -- i truly believe this -- by the media. it sounds silly but it is not. i really believe in the power of media to influence people. that is why i got in it. so we have to use it to our advantage. you have got to be in it to win it. if we are not controlling our image, someone else is. so you have got to start thinking about the way that the image of the public...
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the jury got the case within the past hour. now they begin their deliberations.going over all the evidence. his life may be on the line here. he has 17 charges against him. six of them are capitol felons if the jury comes back with even one capital felon. they have to decide if he'll get life in prison or be executed, whichsy lowed here in the state of of connecticut. dr. petit is here in the court. it's been very difficult for him and his family. now we just wait. i just got a note moments ago from the producer that the first knock from the jury has just come in to ask a question, so we'll keep you posted on what happens. the judge will give the jury until 4:30 p.m. to possibly reach a verdict, then ask them if they're close. if they're not close, they'll be sent home to start again tomorrow. we're here to let you know what happens. >> jeff, thank you. >>> closing arguments are under way in the anna nicole smith drug conspiracy trial. prosecutors accuse smith's boyfriend howard k. stern, who is also her lawyer, as you may imagine, and two doctors with giving her
the jury got the case within the past hour. now they begin their deliberations.going over all the evidence. his life may be on the line here. he has 17 charges against him. six of them are capitol felons if the jury comes back with even one capital felon. they have to decide if he'll get life in prison or be executed, whichsy lowed here in the state of of connecticut. dr. petit is here in the court. it's been very difficult for him and his family. now we just wait. i just got a note moments ago...
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but in the meantime, that jury is still deliberating. it's up to the judge how long they will continue those deliberations. the jury is expected to resume their debate tomorrow morning. we're live at the courthouse, derek valcourt, wjz eyewitness news. >>> all right. thank you very much, derek. >>> if convicted, the suspects face the possibility of life in prison. >>> a 17-year-old faces serious charges tonight for allegedly attacking another teen near their high school. mary is live in the newsroom with more on the allegations. >>> at this hour, 17-year-old troy reed is being held without bond at the anne arundel county detention center. last week, police say reed led the victim from annapolis high school into a wooded area. police say he then made advancements. the victim then said reid became angry, knocked her to the ground and sexually assaulted her. that's all according to police. he faces a number of charges including second-degree rape, sex and sodomy. >> reid was arrested last evening without incident. >>> the largest drug bust i
but in the meantime, that jury is still deliberating. it's up to the judge how long they will continue those deliberations. the jury is expected to resume their debate tomorrow morning. we're live at the courthouse, derek valcourt, wjz eyewitness news. >>> all right. thank you very much, derek. >>> if convicted, the suspects face the possibility of life in prison. >>> a 17-year-old faces serious charges tonight for allegedly attacking another teen near their high...
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the jury is reportedly deadlocked. charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams each faced 29 charges in the robbery at the haven lounge. a baltimore city jury has awarded a 23-year-old woman nearly $21 million. the jury found that marie carter suffered lead poisoning while living in a house on baltimore city. the case was based on circumstantial evidence. the award will be reduced because of the state's credit $50,000 cap on non-economic damages. -- $350,000 cap on non-economic damages. today marks the beginning of the 10th year of the war in afghanistan. president obama pledges to bring to start -- to start bringing it to an end of the beginning of next year. >> for families who have lost loved ones in afghanistan, this is another sad anniversary, filled with questions about what has become america's longest war. president obama marked the ninth year of war by honoring robert miller, who died two years ago defending his comrades. >> they heard his voice. he had been hit. still, he kept calling out the enemy posi
the jury is reportedly deadlocked. charles mcganey, gary collins, and jerome williams each faced 29 charges in the robbery at the haven lounge. a baltimore city jury has awarded a 23-year-old woman nearly $21 million. the jury found that marie carter suffered lead poisoning while living in a house on baltimore city. the case was based on circumstantial evidence. the award will be reduced because of the state's credit $50,000 cap on non-economic damages. -- $350,000 cap on non-economic damages....
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the penalty phase will be this month. this jury that sent down the guilty verdict will be back. they have been asked not to discuss the case. we will not be hearing from jurors today. if anything we will only be hearing from dr. william petit. he has been here every single day with his family and he has said that he wanted to wait to find out what the verdict was before he made a comment to us, megyn. megyn: the nation has just extended him such sympathy as we've waited and watched this trial along with him. that man sat there through every bit of gruesome testimony and crime scene photos. the only time he got up to leave was when the coroner got up and spoke about the autopsies and they spoke about exactly the con of the -- the condition of the bodies which was too much for him. we understand the family is leaving the courtroom, he's there, he's being supported by his surviving family members. to hear from him directly after this horrific case where everybody asked how could one go on and lead a life after seeing what he saw and knowing what he knows happened to his family. he
the penalty phase will be this month. this jury that sent down the guilty verdict will be back. they have been asked not to discuss the case. we will not be hearing from jurors today. if anything we will only be hearing from dr. william petit. he has been here every single day with his family and he has said that he wanted to wait to find out what the verdict was before he made a comment to us, megyn. megyn: the nation has just extended him such sympathy as we've waited and watched this trial...
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i hope the jury realizes that. >> the jury was just sit home just a few moments ago. they will be -- began deliberating again on monday. >> baltimore singer mario is out on jail after -- out on bail s.te hawntia hardaway says her son pushed her. on monday, hardaway told police he pushed for indoor wall, causing her to hit hiher head. the story was documented in an mtv special. >> president obama said goodbye to his hard-driving, often combative workaholic chief of staff, rahm imanuel, as he leaves the white house to make a run for mayor of chicago. >> it was granted sendoff. an emotional sendoff. barack obama and rahm emanuel, by all accounts, were closer in the trenches in two years of political comeback. >> mr. president, i thought i was tough, but as someone who saw firsthand how close are nation came to the brink and what you had to do to put america back on track, i want to thank you for being the toughest leader in the country could ask for in the toughest times any president has ever faced. [applause] >> now one chicagoan goes on to work 24/7 to run for mayor.
i hope the jury realizes that. >> the jury was just sit home just a few moments ago. they will be -- began deliberating again on monday. >> baltimore singer mario is out on jail after -- out on bail s.te hawntia hardaway says her son pushed her. on monday, hardaway told police he pushed for indoor wall, causing her to hit hiher head. the story was documented in an mtv special. >> president obama said goodbye to his hard-driving, often combative workaholic chief of staff, rahm...
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the jury is not in on that. if -- if there's not a model that supports investigative reporting and accountability reporting, then we're in trouble. we got to find one. >> we agree on the last point to be sure. to the book, up pack the title for me first. >> i -- what i wanted to do with this book, tavis, was my sense was that -- that when we talk about black america, often we were talking about -- about a mon lith that was never monolithic and it is much less now, in order to discuss things intelligently, first you have to see them clearly. i felt when you look at black-america, you have not a single entity, but a collection of entities, i identify four. you could slice it or dice it other ways, i mean, sure. they have affinities and a shared history. they're not in the same condition. arguably that -- it -- between which there's some increasing distance. i wanted to resurvey black america in that way. and maybe provide -- maybe a new starting point for the way we ought to talk about it and figure out how to proc
the jury is not in on that. if -- if there's not a model that supports investigative reporting and accountability reporting, then we're in trouble. we got to find one. >> we agree on the last point to be sure. to the book, up pack the title for me first. >> i -- what i wanted to do with this book, tavis, was my sense was that -- that when we talk about black america, often we were talking about -- about a mon lith that was never monolithic and it is much less now, in order to...
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the motion was made while the jury was at lunch to dismiss the case. the judge thought about it a while, creating a tense atmosphere before denying it, saying, "i will deny the motion because this is a jury trial. if a judge was decided, it would be a different thing a." >> any attorney would be offended if it were perceived was producinge testimony that deceived the jury. >> just to clarify, he is referring to the prosecution redirected the dirt track of deceivehey ask him if he rea the jury. he said no. >> baltimore city police say they need your help in finding a missing woman. 77-year-old betty boyd sullivan walk away from her garden at the best western in southwest -- southeast baltimore. she is delusional, but not violent. she may be wandering the streets were staying in vacant houses. if you see her, please call 443- 94, 7385. >> the rain moved out of the area today. >> the other thing we are dealing with is the wind. we're getting wraparound wind from the powerful racer that is pummeling new england right now. you can clearly see all the heavy
the motion was made while the jury was at lunch to dismiss the case. the judge thought about it a while, creating a tense atmosphere before denying it, saying, "i will deny the motion because this is a jury trial. if a judge was decided, it would be a different thing a." >> any attorney would be offended if it were perceived was producinge testimony that deceived the jury. >> just to clarify, he is referring to the prosecution redirected the dirt track of deceivehey ask...
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and the defense will try to convince the jury not to give the death penalty here.mit steven hayes did participate in the crime but saying the co-defendant was the master mine. >>> in new jersey, rutgers university held a silent vigil last night to remember tyler clementi, the 18-year-old freshman took his own life after his sexual encounter with another man was streamed online. two students could face hate crimes charges for allegedly posting the video. already they're charged with invasion of privacy. >>> in neighboring new york, the governor is vowing to pass a new law against cyber bullying. those stories are so shocking, and the numbers even more so. one in every four students say they're bullied every day or every week. and the reports show disabled kids face an incredibly tough crowd. a quarter of all students say they're bullied and 85% of students with disabilities say they've been targeted. that's according to the national center for education statistics. this is national pulleying prevention month. a florida dad take that very seriously. he's been charged
and the defense will try to convince the jury not to give the death penalty here.mit steven hayes did participate in the crime but saying the co-defendant was the master mine. >>> in new jersey, rutgers university held a silent vigil last night to remember tyler clementi, the 18-year-old freshman took his own life after his sexual encounter with another man was streamed online. two students could face hate crimes charges for allegedly posting the video. already they're charged with...
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. >>> after nearly four weeks of testimony the jury began the dlib craigs on the kim heirs trial.rm robbers gunned him down two years ago when he tried to flee in his car. over the last few weeks, the state laid out an extensive case against three defendants including dna evidence, video surveillance and testimony from dozens of witnesses. attorneys say this could be a complicated case for the jurors to decide. >> i have to believe with three codefendants and 29 counts each they will discuss each one as attendively as they were in trial and they took notes. i would be shocked if it came back today. we only have a couple more hours today. it could be days. >> those charges facing collins and mcgainy and williams include felony murder and second degree murder and conspiracy to rob with a dangerous weapon. >>> a changing of the guard in the obama administration could lead to a changing of the guard in chicago city hall. white house chief of staff rahm emanuel resigned to run for mayor of the windy city. he was known for his intense sometimes controversial style. president poked fun a
. >>> after nearly four weeks of testimony the jury began the dlib craigs on the kim heirs trial.rm robbers gunned him down two years ago when he tried to flee in his car. over the last few weeks, the state laid out an extensive case against three defendants including dna evidence, video surveillance and testimony from dozens of witnesses. attorneys say this could be a complicated case for the jurors to decide. >> i have to believe with three codefendants and 29 counts each they...
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saying, i will deny the motion because this is a jury trial. if a judge was decided, things might be different." >> any attorney would be offended if they were perceived that the state was producing testimony that the prosecutor himself said deceive the jury. -- deceive the jury. >> two candidates from baltimore county and are trying to make as much noise as the two men running for governor. they spared today on a number of issues john the midday show. >> republican can hold cast themselves as a fiscal conservative. kent holtz castan hol himself as a fiscal conservative. >> i think it is time for new ideas and that is why i am running. >> the democratic candidate says he is also conservative. >> why i'm able to address your right now without written notes in front of me reading a script. i can tell you right away that baltimore county is a county that has a balanced budget. we have a healthy surplus. >> their contrasting philosophies generated a lively discussion. >> it does not appear to me that fiscal conservatism would allow you to establish
saying, i will deny the motion because this is a jury trial. if a judge was decided, things might be different." >> any attorney would be offended if they were perceived that the state was producing testimony that the prosecutor himself said deceive the jury. -- deceive the jury. >> two candidates from baltimore county and are trying to make as much noise as the two men running for governor. they spared today on a number of issues john the midday show. >> republican can...
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she seemed near tears when the defense told the jury? ite the heartbreaking -- told the jury that despite the heartbreaking details of this case, they have to move beyond that and look at the evidence. >> meanwhile, we are falling breaking news right now in montgomery county, md., where police say they have found a body in bethesda. police made the discovery late this morning along massachusetts avenue. right now, investigators have not released any information about the person's identification or cause of death. we do have crews on the scene and will bring you more information as soon as it is available to us. turning now to another developing story today, three suspects, including two georgetown university students, are due in court just a short time from now. they're accused of running in an illegal drug operation from a freshman dormitory. >> georgetown students john romano and charles smith have more than midterms to worry about today as they face a judge for turning a dorm room into a drug lab. >> i was kind of shocked. i've never h
she seemed near tears when the defense told the jury? ite the heartbreaking -- told the jury that despite the heartbreaking details of this case, they have to move beyond that and look at the evidence. >> meanwhile, we are falling breaking news right now in montgomery county, md., where police say they have found a body in bethesda. police made the discovery late this morning along massachusetts avenue. right now, investigators have not released any information about the person's...
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i've got to believe you're going to hear something from the family members, the jury mem errs. >> i'm sure. they could have settled this long ago and agreed to the settlement where the defendant went to prich to life but wanted to go for the death penalty. >> exactly. >> i'm sure they will speak up. what about the defense, do you think they will put him on the stand? >> that's a tough question. in the cases i tried, i did put the defendant on the stand to essentially say what happened, why i'm so terribly sorry and basically asking to save their lives. you will probably get some testimony about who he is, his background, if he had a troubled past. i would suspect, he didn't of it beforehand, i would suspect -- a lot of times lawyers will keep the defendant off the stand even here if their defense has been i didn't do this, you have the wrong person here. they didn't really have that defense. he admitted to what he did here. i would suspect you may well hear him on the standing saying something to these jurors. >> of course we'll follow it. thank you, jack. back to you, harry. >>> all
i've got to believe you're going to hear something from the family members, the jury mem errs. >> i'm sure. they could have settled this long ago and agreed to the settlement where the defendant went to prich to life but wanted to go for the death penalty. >> exactly. >> i'm sure they will speak up. what about the defense, do you think they will put him on the stand? >> that's a tough question. in the cases i tried, i did put the defendant on the stand to essentially say...
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and i was really interested, as i always am, on what the jury says in public. we know two things from yesterday. the first one is, they wanted a definition of start a fire. and they asked, is the pouring of gas starting a fire? and the judge said no. why is this so important? >> i think what you have here is a jury that's bogged down in minutia rather than looking at the evidence as a whole. generally, they're instructed that you look at all the evidence. and as that evidence is looked at by you collectively, does it ring true that this person committed this crime? i know that there has to be an aiding, abetting and advising instruction there where these individuals are instructed that if, in fact, one person helped the other to commit the crime, then they are as guilty as a person who actually struck the match. so to me, this is really disturbing as a prosecutor to see these individuals trying to figure out what the definition of "starting a fire" might be. >> secondly, i wanted to hear more of steven hayes' confession, but they were told it would take 45 minu
and i was really interested, as i always am, on what the jury says in public. we know two things from yesterday. the first one is, they wanted a definition of start a fire. and they asked, is the pouring of gas starting a fire? and the judge said no. why is this so important? >> i think what you have here is a jury that's bogged down in minutia rather than looking at the evidence as a whole. generally, they're instructed that you look at all the evidence. and as that evidence is looked...