george h.w. bush, george w. bush. be bipartisan. be big. receive the message of 2010 and transcend it as a bipartisan figure. >> e.j., it's not just his left being disappointed, but that is a big piece, whether a supporter on the left or an independent who voted for president obama, you may feel betrayed. whether it's don't ask, don't tell, or i'm going to close guantanamo bay, there's all these things and there's a feeling he hasn't exercised his leadership to get this done? does he still face that test? >> some of the criticism is unfair to say a guy who had all these things done, health care was a hugely difficult thing to get past and financial reform and the stimulus. a lot of us thought it should have been bigger but it kept us from falling into a catastrophe. i think where he's got problems with the left and parts of the center is a sense of what are you going to fight for, when are you going to stand up to these guys. if the republican bargaining position is what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine, if they are not doing to give an inch, then i think his core supporters but also the american people want somebody strong in the white house, wanted to call them on it. i thought this senator kyl on the new s.t.a.r.t. treaty, i think this is an amazing position he's taking. this is something supported by the entire range of conservative opinion from bob kagan to pat baker, to henry kissinger, james baker iii. i don't know why he's opposing this. i think it was unclear from his answer. >> let me start with ed gillespie. there was a cartoon i'll put up on the screen. the slug is cold war 2010. what you have at the at the table are russia and united states on one side and republicans on the other. ed, is this a test of whether bipartisanship is real, whether the president has the ability to make the politics tough enough for republicans that they have to say yes? >> the problem is they are a day late and dollar short in terms of the s.t.a.r.t. treaty and working with congress on it. what's so extraordinary to me about this meeting with congressional leaders coming up is that it's extraordinary. the fact is president obama does not have a working relationship with republicans in congress and not many democrats in congress either. senator kyl has been asking legitimate questions for a long time about the s.t.a.r.t. treaty. he's the number two republican in the senate. he's the leader in our party on these nuclear weapons issues. the white house has essentially acted as if they are getting mail from a college intern working for a freshman -- >> that's not true. >> the white house made concession after concession to john kyl. he want a modernized nuclear force, they said great. there's been 12 hearings or something like that. >> the white house didn't focus -- >> they are trying to work around him. that's a mistake. >> they are astonished by this position. >> i have to make a comment. you made a comment at the start, which i greatly respect and admire, president obama almost reinvented bipartisanship. do we forget what happened in the economic recovery act? no house republican voted for it. only three republican senators voted for it. $787 billion package to move this country out of near financial collapse and one of the senators from pennsylvania was almost run out of his party. what are we talking about? senator mcconnell said his number one goal, main apparently mission in life now, is to take president obama out of office. that's bipartisanship? i don't think so. >> it's not bipartisanship either when at the meeting of the house republicans when talking about the stimulus package and they offer their suggestions and president obama's response at the time was i won. i don't have to take your ideas. he chose a course of pursuing a straight democratic party vote -- >> now they have -- >> i agree. >> here is the question, peggy noonan, what does the president do to confound his critics? that was an observation he made in the past he has not done very well. here are opportunities. whether it's tax cuts, the s.t.a.r.t. treaty whether it's going to be the debt commission, where is he going to make the politics difficult for republicans? i you talked to republicans who say he's making it very easy to say no, and that's been the case for 22 months. >> i'm afraid i'll be repeating my point. i see no sign, really, that the obama white house has decided we have to really change the way we're going forward here. they don't seem -- it seems -- when i look at them, i see people who think it's a concession to some new reality they don't want if they admit 2010 actually changed things, changed our numbers on the hill, et cetera. if the president sort of shakes himself, dusts himself off, and comes forward and says, guys, i'm going to work with you on this tax stuff, everybody in america has to know what their tax rates are going to be for the next year, two years, three years, it is irresponsible not to do it. i'm working with you, i will concede a lot. going to let this thing go forward. >> you made a point about the tax, could be a huge mistake for the president, if democrats stand by working people, to not extend tax benefits at the same time you're extending for upper earners. >> it would be astonishing. there are five unemployed people for every job in america. the average payment on unemployment compensation is $290 a week. this tax cut for the rich people is $100,000 or more for every millionaire. it would be absurd not to help the unemployed at the moment when we've got almost 10% unemployment and unemployment compensation has a bigger bang for the buck. >> i think the president on the tax cut has gone more than out of his way. in fact, i think he's made too many premature concessions to the republicans. yes, i think he should say, let's talk about this. i think you laid out a good solution in the question, pass a tax cut for the middle class everybody agrees on. if this is such a high priority for republicans to pass a tax cut for the rich, let them do it in the next congress. >> let me quickly, before i take a break, mayor nutter, the issue we've been dealing with over the holiday season here, the tsa patdowns. is there a better way? is the administration going to have to revisit the issue? >> well, security matters are always subject to review. i go through the airport, everyone wants everyone to be safe, not particularly intrusive. sometimes you run into conflicts there. can it be done differently or better? i'm sure they can figure out a way to get people through. but apparently everyone got to see grandma for thanksgiving, without a whole lot of lines or nonsen nonsense. everyone wants to be safe on an airplane. that's the bottom line. we seem to forget how we arrived at this point. full body scan, off into a separate room. every security measure is subject to review. you always want to do something better. the bottom line is safety on an airplane. >> what's that? >> after eight years you might want to rethink it. we started out here, we added this, added this, now we're doing this. stop, look back, rethink the whole thing with an eye to what will work in terms of real safety and what is unacceptable treatment. >> here is what the bush administration understood. the american people are here after 9/11, maybe they are here now. they can get back to here in a moment. as the president said over the weekend, if somebody gets through and blows up an airplane, people aren't going to say, they shouldn't have had those extensive patdowns. >> the challenge for government is -- having worked in the white house, there's a tradeoff between security and individual liberty you constantly are trying to get right. the line moves depending on where public sentiment is, and it's moved. i think this has probably going to have to be done by technology most likely here. >> with airplanes grounded in the united states, freight airplanes with concern about bombs and cartridges. this threat is not over. we need to pay attention to it. >> we're going to take a break here. we're going to come back and talk about battleground 2012. yes, it's already upon us. how does it look, sarah palin to other republicans challenging the president potentially. more from our roundtable right after this. 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