hauer is a moderate, and he preaches conservatism.n blue dog you have a liberal who has been a cheerleader for nancy pelosi and a chee cheerler for the obama agenda in a much louder way than hau rerbgs. jenna: you just mentioned the democrats remaining in congress are more liberal than the moderates that were there before. if the party is liberal is it a forgone ton khraougs that -- conclusion that clyburn gets the position. >> no, this is still washington. there are a lot of favors and things to be done. stenni hauer has been effective aeu kraoug favors from his fellow members. a lot of people like the job as hauer did asthma skwroert leader under pelosi. they were happy with him. they felt he went along with the liberal wing of the party and they are confident he'll do that thing again. why clyburn may be nor eud logically aligned, hauer is a tough old ball and i think he'll be hard to knock off. jenna: one of our viewers wanted to know about nancy pelosi, everyone is talking like she will get that leadership position. is that a for

but citizenee hauer has been whipped before. he was whipped when nancy pelosi was minority leader. so there is a real tension there. >> lehrer: sure. all right, speaking of tension, what do you make of the debate, the deficit commission chairman's proposal for how to solve the deficit problem in the united states of america at the federal level? >> first, i thought it was an excellent start to a discussion. it had a wide range of options, many of which are extremely painful. those of us who own homes don't want to give up our mortgage interest diduction. i'm sure people in their 60s don't want to postpone retirement age. but the fact is we're facing a national disaster and we're going to have to do some terrible things. they probably underestimated how many terrible things because they have some rosy scenarios in there. but they took the serious things that have to be done and they threw them on the table. and so i think they did a great service to the country. i think the secretary thing they've done is they've smoked out who is willing to have this conversation and who isn't. you

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