>> yes. >> ok. >> yes, i believe for new permitees, i believe that would be beneficial. i guess why i hesitated was the -- i think we would really have to be careful and really look at the definition of "new permitees." what is designated, for lack of a better word, credityable experience in the industry. if someone says i was bartender for 10 years, we could say ok, you have enough experience in this business to get this permit. but that really doesn't show they know thousand run a club. >> i'm not saying to get the permit. i'm saying they're entitled to the permits. the permits are by right. but to do some kind of education so that they know, maybe give them a copy -- i don't know. >> i'm all for any education to our permit holders. i think education is a good thing. so absolutely. >> maybe something we can consider for the next summit. thank you. >> commissioner meko. commissioner meko: with regard to commissioner joseph's point, it just occurred to me this might be of good -- a good role for cmac which, you know, is independent of the commission. but certainly doing

clarification around the grandfathered permit fees -- permitees. if you were already grandfathered through, you would only have to pay that next year annual fee. can you talk about what they would be required to fill, the conditions? >> if you are one of those that currently has a valid permit from the police -- let's say this goes into affect january of next year. you would have 90 days to reapply, list all your permited locations to dpw. they would then read those administratively. there would be no fee at that point. then you would have one year from then, at which time you would go through the review process, just like anyone else, but at that point, whatever roles that dpw issues subjects subsequent to the issue, you could be subject to. do not be within x feet of a bus zone, handicapped zone. you would have to come into conformance with those requirements. for those that have a permanent goes back to 1995, we would grandfather them from those new requirements. distance from schools, hours of operation. nobody is grandfathered from those. does

would the permitee come to you, director kane? if they weren't sure whether or not they needed to have their promoter registered? >> i'm not that familiar with the language. if it says directly that it is the discretion of the entertainment commission, then it would probably devolve to staff. if it is not clear in the legislation, then that would be a question i think for the city attorney in terms of implementation and whether or not that is applied or something that we need to be more specific about. we are the body that would be implementing this, so in theory the answer would be yes. just in a broad scheme of things, because that -- everything rolls downhill, as you know. >> excuse me. point of order. before this discussion goes any further, we have a motion, and we need a second before we can discuss this. >> you are right. >> thank you. >> second. >> we have a second. further discussion now? go ahead. commissioner meko? >> i would like to speak to this concept of baby steps. i have always lectured about baby steps with regar