hugo chavez and pierre calderon. they were very effective in bringing to freedom eight of my fellow hostages, and for that we only can say thank you. the second question about -- >> [inaudible] >> well, okay. well, you see, the easy answer would be there is guerrillas in colombia. that's not the truth. the farc exists because -- note because they defend the poor,oor but because they use the poor. and they use it as the paramilitary does and as the drug trafficker does, do. so it's not a war between rich and poor, it's a war about money. and the guerrilla, the farc, that at the beginning was, you know, communist, guerrilla, very much like we would think of a -- [inaudible]ink is not that anymore if it was once. it's not. today it's a drug cartel. and you see, what happens is that sometimes there is thisis saying that the end justifiesat the mean. well, the truth is is that the means shape the end. i mean, whatever you do, that's what you are. it's not the opposite. and because the guerrillas are drug trafficking today