tonight we take another look at the deficit commission, this time congresswoman jan schakowsky and dean baker. >> the simpson bowles proposal begins to make cuts right away, and doesn't put any money right away into investments, which are actually deficit reducers because it puts more people to work when we invest in the economy. and secondly, i come from a very different philosophy at this problem which is that the middle class and lower income people have already sacrificed. >> in terms of social security overall, basically the program is fine. you know, we will have to do something. we've got these people running around, well, if we don't do anything in 27 years by the trustees, 29 years by the congressional budget office projections it faces short fall, yeah, somewhere we will have to fix it. there is no urgency about that. you know, we aren't going to let it go off a cliff. it doesn't go off a cliff because even after those dates it could still pay roughly 80% of benefits even if we never did anything. >> rose: and we conclude with actor michael caine who has written his second mem

joining me now congresswoman jan schakowsky. thanks for joining us tonight, congresswoman. >> thank you, lawrence. >> now, the biggest tax increase you have in your proposal ooze i've scanned it is the elimination of the capital gains tax rates so that capital gains is taxed at the same rate as other income, something that i think is a great idea. but the capital gains tax rate, as you know, has been a sacred cow for a long time. do you think you can get democrats to unite on a tax -- what is in effect a tax increase on capital gains especially for the higher income taxpayers. >> i want this proposal to be taken seriously. i think it does start the discussion about who really is going to pay the bill for the deficit and the debt that was created not by the middle class and not by lower income people but often by the coupon clippers, those people who make money off their investments and not by the sweat of their brow. this is something that needs to be fully discussed. we can cut -- if we're serious about deficit and dead reducti

and on the democratic side we saw jan schakowsky and others come out in opposition on the entire plan, and durbin. so will be interesting to see if the floor ideas of caps and on a macrolevel continue to be part of the debate. >> i would like to add on. one as you can on deal with a deficit without dealing with health care long term. health care is the problem long term. and the sooner we get serious about it, the better. the affordable care act made some important steps but it is by no means the whole answer. so why do give the co-chairs some credit for at least not ducking on the issue. however, i do object to the specific proposals, particularly the ones that would cost shift more on to the beneficiaries because that doesn't do anything but lower the burden of health care and the economy from taxpayers on to sick people which is really regressive and

representative jan schakowsky joining us from chicago.mission. thanks very much. >> i appreciate it, judy. >> brown: again the major developments of the day. the obama administration acknowledged the government will consider public concerns and complaints about new airline screening procedures. the irish government called elections for early next year after a day of political turmoil in the wake of an economic bailout from the european union.ç and the imf. and more than 330 people diedç in a stampede in cambodia during a water festival to mark the end of the rainy season. and could kwame holman in our news room for what's on the newshour online. >> reporter: find out about new health insurance rules that force providers to spend more on patient care. watch an interview with the producer of a current tv documentary on the mexican drug wars. it takes viewers on an illegal border crossing with a human trafficker known as a coyote. get a behind the scene look at the experimental radio program that uses art to explore science. all that and m

joining me now a member of that commission, representative jan schakowsky and dan radhigan. there are things in this plan you don't like. there are things people like. what do you like in this plan? >> first of all, let's be clear this is a proposal only of the two co chairs. this is not a proposal put forth in anyway by the commission. some of us just saw it. there are a number of cuts in the defense budget that fortunately i believe we have bipartisan support for making significant cuts in the defense budget. and at the very least, i think those are the kinds of things that we may be able to move forward with together. but overall, i think that the certainly when it comes to social security and medicare. >> what about the increase in the gasoline tax. do you think that's a good idea? >> well, we are -- there's a proposal that we do something to offset the pain that it would cost some lower income people. but i think that that is something we might consider for the environment as well as for raising revenue. >> dillon, congresswoman schakowsky says you can talk about doing

joining me now congresswoman jan schakowsky of chicago.ogram. glad you got re-elected. our fighter for lefties in this country and you speak truth. is this all a get back in the -- because of the work that henry waxman did during the bush years we had no-bid contracts and issues with haliburton and all kinds of intel issues, you know what we went through in the bush years, this a get back? >> henry waxman in the whole two year these chaired that same he committee only had something like 206 oversight hearings. darrell issa is talking not just about 280 hearings, seven subcommittees, a hearing a week, he says one or two. that could be 560 hearings in 40 weeks. the man is on a -- you know, he is on a hunt right now, really a witch hunt, i think. and every time he makes these accusations, somebody has to come along, put their hand over his mouth and has to walk it back. he called barack obama one of the most corrupt presidents ever. that the perspective he is coming from. of course, now he is trying to walk it back. but instead of looking at,

and some on the commission like congresswoman jan schakowsky, an illinois democrat, rejected it as well. >> i agree that the debt and the deficit are unsustainable. but this is not the way to do it. >> brown: but another commission democrat, north dakota senator kent conrad counseled caution, this morning on abc: >> instead of shooting this down, propose an alternative; but one that does as good a job as this one does in getting us back on a sound fiscal course. >> brown: republican leaders largely withheld comment. but some conservative groups blasted the tax-increase provisions. the proposal is not the full commission's report. that is due by december first. so, the debate is on and we have our own now, with maya macguineas, president of the committee for a responsible federal budget at the new america foundation. damon silvers is director of policy and special counsel at the afl-cio. and grover norquist, is the president of the advocacy group americans for tax reform. welcome to all of you. maya macguineas, i'll let you go first. we'll hear you're surrounded on two sides of different

i think there will be an issue and on the democratic side we saw jan schakowsky and others come out in opposition on the tire plan, and durbin. so will be interesting to see if the floor ideas of capsnd on a macrolevel continue to be part of the debate. >> i would like to add on. one as you can on deal with a deficit without dealing with health care long term. health care is the problem long term. and the sooner we get serious about it, the better. the affordable care act made some important steps but it is by no means the whole answer. so why do give the co-chairs some credit for at least not ducking on the issue. however, i do object to the specific proposals, particularly the ones that would cost shift more on to the beneficiaries because that doesn't do anything but lower the burden health care and the economy from taxpayers on to sick people which is really regressive and not the way to keep health care affordable for people going forward. in fact it's just the opposite of the intent behind the affordable care act. so i think while they should get credit for being willing to take

. >> rose: there you go, jan schakowsky. >> she bristled up.you, she is who she is. and she was appointed by the speaker and she has some strongly held views. >> give her credit. today she came out with her own proposal. >> rose: exactly what... i have it flight my hands. >> but it's real. it's heavy on the taxing side and light on the spending side. >> rose: this is from the "washington post." "one of the most liberal members of president obama's bipartisan deficit commission unveiled her on plan tuesday to balance the budget, keep social security benefits intact, make deep reductions in the pentagon budget and raise corporate taxes to target profits and excessive pay for chief executives." so you were saying... >> i'll talk with her. i don't know what will happen but... >> but you have to... you give her credit. >> you have to give her credit that she's done something real. it's not what alan and i... >> rose: so this is what you want. you want they want to get out front and say this is what i believe, this is what i do. >> she's recognized t

jan schakowsky came out and said something quickly, senator durbin was critical too early out of the a plan an implement it in a phased fashion. for example, we need a budget. we don't have a 2011 budget that takes a tough line on spending, that freezes across-the-board pay increases. we need to have a temporary moratorium on earmarks. we need to decide what to do on the bush tax cuts. next year, in addition to that, we need to reimpose tough budget controls, reform social security and establish a task force that can help bring the government into the 21st century. big issues like comprehensive tax reform, next round of health care reform will probably have to wait until 2013. let's develop a plan and let's start implementing the plan to avoid a super subprime crisis. by the way, i'm now with the come back america initiative which is going to be much more aggressive about seeking solutions here. >> i love it. >> david walker, thank you. >> good to be with you again. >>> coming up president andrew jackson rock star, you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ where'd you lear

schakowsky, for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. ms. schakowsky: i rise in support of this resolution to urge that all holocaust survivors in the united states are able to live with dignity, comfort and security and congratulate congressman wasserman schultz on its introduction. an estimated 120,000 holocaust survivors live in the united states today, include manage in the chicago area. the village of skokie is one of the -- home to one of the largest groups in the country. holocaust survivors are five times more likely to be living below the poverty level than other older americans. these men and women have survived the worst of human abuses -- abuses and many have special needs as they age. it is critical we uphold the dignity of holocaust survivors and ensure their well being in their remaining years. i would like to applaud the efforts of this the jewish federation of metropolitan chicago and other such organizations that are working tirelessly tie cyst holocaust survivors in our community. we must do more to ensure that holocau

. >> jan schakowsky is the congresswoman from illinois, and thank you very much for coming in.will continue this conversation. >> i look forward to it. >> and thank you to gloria and david as well. >>> and having babies or not having babies is on jack cafferty's mind right now. he is right here with the cafferty file. >> that is not entirely accurate. my babies are all grown, and i have no babies as far as i'm concerned on my mind at the present time, however, the number of american women without children is at an all-time high and the recent report by the pugh research center shows that 1 in 5 women between the ages of 40 and 44 were childless in 2008. that is an 80% increase from the 1970s. it is a phenomenon that is seen all across all racial and ethnic groups and most education levels. white women are the most likely not to have children, but childless rates are growing more quickly for blacks, hispanics and asians over the last decade. researchers say that part of the reason behind this is that people are waiting longer to get marry and have kids. experts tell aol that the

representative paul ryan, presumed to be the new budget chief on the house side, representative jan schakowsky of illinois, representative john spratt, just defeated, and andrew stern, head of the service employees international union. those are the members of the commission who will have to vote on what senator simpson and erskine bowles have proposed. richard in new york city on the independent line. caller: there is a simple answer for that. one of the biggest problems i see i for example, if you increase the social security retirement age, we have enough problems employing our youth at the present time. insisting that people work longer to have adequate social security if there is such a thing is detrimental to employing others. the only thing that i think would be really directly approachable is the fact that i have yet to understand why there are multi-billion there's in the world. what are they going to do with their money. the old eisenhower taxation system of graduating income tax seems like one of the most appropriate things. it doesn't have to apply t corporations because corporatio

i think there will be an issue and on the democratic side we saw jan schakowsky and others come out in opposition on the entire plan, and durbin. so will be interesting to see if the floor ideas of caps and on a macrolevel continue to be part of the debate. >> i would like to add on. one as you can on deal with a deficit without dealing with health care long term. health care is the problem long term. and the sooner we get serious about it, the better. the affordable care act made some important steps but it is by no means the whole answer. so why do give the co-chairs some credit for at least not ducking on the issue. however, i do object to the specific proposals, particularly the ones that would cost shift more on to the beneficiaries because that doesn't do anything but lower the burden of health care and the economy from taxpayers on to sick people which is really regressive and not the way to keep health care affordable for people going forward. in fact it's just the opposite of the intent behind the affordable care act. so i think while they should get credit for being willing t