i love going to the c.i.a.'s web site, extraordinary stuff, because i'm trying to understand where the world is and they've got some smart people doing that. it's right there, the analysis in terms of scarcity of water, emergency demands, and terrorism. all of that stuff there. jik i'm happy too on your show because we can demystify-- you've been very good not asking for despalz-- but we can talk about the business. they're patriots trying to do the right thing in the intelligence agency. there's too much of the "bourne identity" on the one hand and then, you know, waterboarding on the other hand. but you have a bunch of people doing tough jobs very, very well and we need to get that across. so i thank you. anyway, go ahead. >> rose: i'm happy to do that. yet, at the same time, like so much, there's also if-- it's clear, the human dimension of information gathering still has a crucial role. the story coming in today's newspapers is that the russians, there was a u.s.-- there was a source. >> when you get into th

when i was working at the c.i.a. i was working on these issues. and i think a lot of what i did really was simply delaying the inevitable. what i'm working on now, i'm very much an advocate for ultimately eliminating all nuclear weapons. tavis: you think the inevitable is what? >> that if we don't, that we will see a nuclear device exploded in a city anywhere in the world. tavis: does iran scare you? >> yes. but i would say actually a state like pakistan, which is an narcy sort of bubbling every day -- anarchy, sort of bubbling every day. it's a command and control structure over its nuclear arsenal is l questionable. so that is -- people who think about these things, that's really the country that probably keeps them up at night. tavis: let me shift gears. i want to go back to the movie here right quick. there's this running narrative, story line, for decades and decades about the love relationship or the similarities between washington and hollywood. so what can you tell me? i'll go to you first, ambassador wilson. what's your take now, having ex

. >> for the last two years, the c.i.a. has been pretty much bludgeoning the organization in pakistan with this escalation in drone strikes and they think that they've done a pretty good job of crippling leadership there and all of a sudden we're hearing more about yemen and a group that's increasing in power and sophistication and so then they have to sort of wor about ifti resources to yemen. >> re: a fally,n appreciation of ted sorensen, an excerpt from one of the five conversations we had on this program. >> at heart, j.f.k. was a pragmatist. he wanted to know what would work, what would solve the problems, what would be accepted by the voters, the rulers, whomever. allies, adversaries. but at the same time, with his speeches just to once again emphize their importance, h talked about th eams we all have of making this a better country and a more peaceful world and that's the romantic part. >> rose: politics and yemen next maybe you want school kids to have more exposure to the arts. maybe you want to provide meals for t

which later became the c.i.a. ob was to train spies to with stand intense interrogation. >> he was simply continuing what he had done for the o.s.s. at harvard. 22 students were asked to write an essay on their philosophy of life including details from toilet training to how often they masturbate and detailing their erotic fantasties. >> and then they will debate it and discuss the philosophies of life. in fact, they were being duped. >> reporter: each student was brought into a room with bright lights seated in a chair facing a one-way mirror and had electrodes attached to their body and the person they were supposed to debate turned out not to be an undergraduate. >> a law school student who had been prepped to tear into the student and to mock and ridicule their ideas and their values. to get them as angry as they possibly could. after they had done this film footage they brought the students back and showed them the film footage. showed them being humiliated. >> reporter: he wrote that he became hostile towards

. >> the ghailani case put the c.i.a. interrogation program on trial along with the 9/11 conspirators including khali shaikh mohammed, ghailani was held at the c.i.a. secret prisons and subjected to treatment critics describe as torture. judge lewis kaplan, a clinton appointee blocked a key witness for the prosecution who is identified through the c.i.a. interrogations. a former guantanamo prosecutor said the decision shows that criminal trials are a calculated risk. >> he decided it's so important to be in federal court then do that with your eyes wide open knowing there's some significant risk because of how it was obtained or the circumstances under which it was obtained that you don't have. >> one option reportedly under consideration is putting off a prosecution, criminal or military and holding the 9/11 suspects indefinitely. >> when the president announced the 9/11 trials in new york, he personally guaranteed a death sentence. so talk about walking it back. >> congressional republicans have already signalled they wi

interrogation it's a different issue. >> he said there were two other modes of interrogation that the c.i.aegal. he found distasteful and wrong and wouldn't sanction. he sd we had lawyers look at it. as a result of what happened, plots were stopped and thousands of lives were saved. what i liked about the show. i have won't give it away, you have dramatic reunions with heros in the show. incredible. it was amazing. >> sean: what i don't understand about the left. we got more intelligence according to george tenet than all our intelligence communities combined. more from enhanced interrogation. liberal oppose it. i don't know why. >> the president writes about it in the book and talks about how you have to give things time. we'll find out whether it's true and -- >> sean: if you take a terrorist head and slam it in the water and doctors standing by in case he gets distressed and he gives up information to save lives. is that not the right thing to do? >> i think -- >> sean: you're not answering. >> i think it's going to be clear as history moves on what the president said. >> it will be clea

>> yeah, but -- i was a very first pilot, you know, to work closely with the c.i.a. t that time to cross the border at night, to drop our special team in north vietnam, that back in 1961. and then later, i was a very first -- i was the commander of the air force to lead our aircraft to cross the border to bomb north vietnam. and also many time i asked, you know, president johnson and other people that to stop this war and to win this war. you have to go offensive. otherwise, if you continue to fight the war with so much limitations, you know, and always in the defensive, at the end of the day, you are going to lose. but for some reason, they never listen to me. oh, yes, one time the secretary said something to me like, if we go north, you know, the chinese may come south. and then for the american, they don't want to see, you know, a second korean war. so we always on the defensive, with so much limitation. >> let me interrupt, only because we're running out of time. the sandals versus the shoe steer was when you dropped your south vietnamese people dressed in the bla

where was the c.i.a. and the information? >> i think we're looking at this the wrong way. i think the two big things that happened after 9/11 that made us safer. you reinforce the cockpit door. you taught pasngers they must resist. so that -- that is a big game change. chris: i'm with you on that. >> also, here's another thing. do we adequately screen bag an that is going on planes and cargo holds? chris: the strong men on the planes should be trained how to chris: the strong men on the [ mom ] my son only wantedow to one toy this year. i want a robosan 4000. [ mom ] the one no one could get. toy stores are reporting long lines and empty shelves. a robosan 4000. [ mom ] and i mean no one. so i did most of my holiday shopping on citi specials. with the money i saved, i bid online -and got exactly what he wanted. -a robosan 4000! [ television ] introducing the new robosan 5000. [ mom ] at least for now. [ male announcer ] make your happy holiday stories come true with citi specials. what's your story? citi can help you write it. chris: john, tell me something i don't know. >

the job said was the way that he was interrogated, questioned by the c.i.a. the judge called it extremely harsh interrogation. but the problem is the fifth amendment put galany's statement -- they couldn't touch it. anything that flowed from that including the fact that galaney, they could not hear the trial. legally they got a conviction. but politically it has touched off this whole debate again. republicans john boehner for example has said that this shows the decision was bad from the start. mitch mcconnell was asking that this approach is deeply harmful to national security but as to whether it would have come out different in a military commission, which is the question, would this have been admissible? >> the judge addressed himself to that question. he said the military's own rules might have blocked the same kind of temperature or the constitution etc. >> he could still get a life sentence? >> yes. 20 years to live is the statute ufment how many difference it would make in the political fallout if he's in fact going to prison? >> well, this is what th

was destroyed because they feared to damage that of the c.i.a. and they have not been able to sight off the coast of california. and showing a trail 50 kilometers off the coast of los angeles. the french government says that it intends to act to defend the rights of christians around the world who live in muslim countries. and the pledge came after 36 iraqi christians were affected by those, and going to the church where 58 people were killed. >> it was one of the worse attacks on iraq's christian minority since the invasion seven years ago. visiting the scene, iraq prime minister spoke to the families, saying that the attacks were against the iraqi people. >> despite the great grief we have for this attack. we won't be subjected to their will, yesterday as a special day, they will carry on, and the pre-islamic structure designed to hinder the process. >> 53 people died after trying to be freed from the gunmen. iraq christians trace their roots back to iniquity, and the scale of the injuries on the attack of the church were evident from the surviv

the c.i.a. will not face criminal charges for destroying videotapes of water-boarding. the justice department announced the decision today. the c.i.a. has acknowledged having 92 videos that showed two al qaeda operatives-- abu zubaydah and abd al-nashiri-- being water-boarded. the videos were destroyed five years ago. a probe continues into whether the simulated drownings itself was outside the law. farooque ahmed, a virginia man, pleaded not guilty today to an alleged plot to bomb subway stations around washington, d.c. ahmed was arrested last month in an f.b.i sting. authorities say ahmed thought he was conspiring with al qaeda militants, but was in fact dealing with undercover agents. he allegedly provided them with scouting reports and videos of subway stations. the u.s. attorney's office found several speeches and cds from anti-american islamic cleric anwar aw-laki during a search of ahmed's home. on wall street, stocks fell for a second day. the dow jones industrial average lost 60 points t

in the c.i.a., they often talk about "let the silence suck out the truth."ou know as a journalist, if you just sit there sometimes and let there become silence, people will fill it up with answers, and in many ways, you get some of your best answers in that silence. i think obama, there is an uncertain compass in him that he is communicating to people, and the political opposition is taking advantage of it, and the general populous senses it. so he's going to have to come out... and come out with a clear program and statements on all the pressing issues that are on his plate, which are many. >> plus, he's not writing his own speeches anymore, which i think he did in the campaign. he doesn't sound like barack obama anymore. whereas when he was campaigning he sounded really authentic, passionate and extremely articulate. >> i think he gets involved in the speeches, but if you look at his day, the day is crazy. there are so many meetings, there are so many outings, there are so many handshakes. there are so many trips to ohio and here, you know, the... as roose

the c.i.a. n has increased dramatically in pakistan in recent months with 50 attacks reported since the beginning of the september. there were 45 strikes in the first five years of the troan program. in contrast. the appeal focuses on the area surrounding the city where afghan and taliban herp is based. on friday a u.s. attack destroyed a vehicle killing at least three suspected militants. and now with 220 people being killed in pakistan in over the 40 strikes sin september 3rd. >> thank you for that. and now the rest of the headlines. more deadly violence in afghanistan. and this morning two remote control bombs attached to bicycles that exploded in eastern afghanistan and three people were killed including a police officer. more than two dozen are wounded. the u.s. and nato plan to hand offer all security responsibility to afghan forces in 2014. and dutch authorities are reviewing dental records on natalee holloway who disappeared five years ago. the records are compared to a jaw broken found l

he had spoken to the c.i.a. s making the case that for some reason i always thought that he made a big blunder. >> that he did. >> he never -- >> blunder being -- >> greta: that there was weapons of mass destruction. >> he's thorough and he wouldn't have gone to the u.n. unless he was convinced intelligence available to all of us was real. it turns out it wasn't. he made a very compelling presentation. that convinced the u.n. to and the world that our intel jeps ruse right? it wasn't just our intelligence, but intelligence of all major intelligence agencies around the world. amazing thing is that saddam hussein was up willing to admit that he didn't have weapons of mass destruction. i believe the choice was his to make. >> it's fascinating to read what happens afterwards. your relationship with dick cheney. many people thought he was the darth vader, guy making the calls. you said there were even times you disagreed with him. >> there were times he disagreed with me. he was the advisor and his job was to advice.

we still have the department of defense and the c.i.a. we have an intel community with four heads, not one. >> this report will be officially released to congress on wednesday, ammizes the u.s. chi that relations from the economic and national security perspective and it specifically looks at the increasingly sophisticated nature of malicious computer activity by the chinese. according to one of the report commissioner peter brook. >> they feel that they could use for instance undertake a digital pearl harbor against the united states and win a war without firing a shot. >> former senior intelligence official who oversaw the cyber security told fox the attack of the future will likely combine traditional attacks like a car bomb or i.e.d.s with a cyber attack to limit the government responsibility to respond. there have been cases where the terrorist groups used the cyber crimes to finance the operation. bret? >> bret: thank you. >> you're welcome. >> bret: britain's prince william is officially engaged to long-time girlfriend kate middleto

>>shepard: that is the case with all the wars including some wars we are doing now, the c.i.a. is doing. >>judge napolitano: we have a war on drugs can drug dealers be tried before a military tribunal. the constitution is clear, the supreme court is clear. unless congress declares war, it is not a war and it is not a war but the tools of war are not available to the president. >>shepard: what will holder do? >>judge napolitano: he will contain and give in to political pressure. we will call him out. >>shepard: you have a new show coming? >>judge napolitano: yes, yes, 8:00 eastern, seven days a week because we are running on saturday and sunday "freedom want," i am your night watchman watching the government as it steals property and liberty which it does. >>shepard: 8:00, who else is on ... well, i am sure you are open the "hit list." good luck, judge. we pulling for you. well for some of our country's veterans, life after the military went downhill. now, some of those would have run into trouble with the law are getting help that could finally change their lives for the better.

he was director of the c.i.a. during the clinton administration. welcome to you both. rick burt, begining with you, how much of a setback is what senator kyle said yesterday for the prospects of geting this treaty ratified? >> well, i think it's potentially a very serious setback. i think the danger is that the treaty is pushed into the new congress, that it will take potentially several months and maybe longer to be ratified. it could be indefinitely postponed. and i think it becomes then a hostage to events. so i think that the lame duck session is the best opportunity to get this treaty ratified with the least amount of political damage to the u.s.-russia relationship and the credibility of the united states worldwide. >> warner: jim woolsey, what is your view of the impact of what senator kyle did yesterday? >> i see it differently. i think it gives the senate, including the senate that was just elected in january, an opportunity to get into the details of the treaty, to understand the negotiating husband try to see what needs to be done or to make sure that we don

justice department official says no one will be charged in the destruction of c.i.a. wing interrogation of suspected terrorists. another part of the investigation is continuing in to weather interrogators went beyond the legal guidance they were given. c.i.a. destroyed the 92 videos in 2005 to keep them from becoming public. we have a construction to something we reported monday. we have inaccurately stated that former dick cheney top aide lewis scooter libby convicted of outing valerie plame. he was actually convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the course of the plame investigation. we regret the error. >>> the debt and the deficit and how they affect your future and your children's future. the fox all-stars join me to discuss it when we return. >>> we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend. that cannot continue for much longer. it is totally unsustainable. if we stay on the course we are on today, we are headed for a debt that will be 400% of the gross domestic product of the united states. people on the left who don't want to touch entitlement