i've focused on david headley and the other. headley was american. he had pleaded guilty. it was a bonafide, colorful, all will lure the character. -- almost lurid character. he had been a globetrotting, hard partying businessman who had a knack for acquiring wives and girlfriends and then anchoring them to the point that they reported into authorities. it was a lashkar militant that ended up doing operations for pakistan. he was at home in many worlds. he knew people in high and low places. he was more interestingly and more of a danger that we have seen and other cases, and he opened their rare an extraordinary window into a secret war. it seemed as though there had been a lot disclosed about him in u.s. court documents and media reports, it seemed there has -- there was a lot not exposed. there were gaps and contradictions in the official version. especially regarding his contact with the u.s.-pakistani governments and how investigators and known about him and win. the other central figure became saji -- not even the no. 3, but an up-and-coming jr. chief, a skilled case

headley became a prize scout. u.s. law enforcement had look into sixth warnings - 6 warming -- 6 warnings. there were deficiencies in the system for tracking direct at 8 hillyer to see -- for tracking direct threats from lashkar-e- taiba. thereheadley's arrest, was troubling evidence that officials supported and directed the group. there was a suspected isi officer who remained at large. this intensified doubts about the ability of pakistan to crack down on powerful interest groups that intentionally kill americans. u.s. officials told me they cannot push too hard for just as in the mumbai case because of the potential damage to al qaeda and its allies. i was a foreign correspondent for many years and a national security correspondent. i covered many of the major attacks by al qaeda, september 11 and i found myself covering lashkar-e-taiba directly and indirectly. i found the headley case interesting because it broke from a narrative. it was about the decline of al qaeda. there was an al qaeda leadership that was weake

and of significance, an american citizen was heavily involved in that, david headley was someone who carried out a lot of the reconnaissance for that attack between 2006 and 2008. so that's an attack that's worth looking at from our standpoint. how do they operate, what do they the? and from their standpoint i think we have to take seriously the likelihood that they will try this in europe and possibly in the united states, although i'm not aware of any particular information that says that's about to happen. >> warner: how good a handle do the f.b.i. and other u.s. government entities have on this new phenomenon... not new, but growing phenomenon of homegrown radicalized americans, often of foreign decent? >> well, so far they've had a very good handle on it but it doesn't take much for one to get by them. and you can't expect them to catch all of these plots. they've had a remarkable record this year of catching notes. but the point that al qaeda is making is we-- al qaeda-- can do small things that cost a little bit of money and you-- the united states-- have to react massively an

they have recruited sleeper a dislike --sleeper agents like david headley. then there are low wolves and hangers on. -- lone wolves and hangerson. these are the self selected and self-radicalize individuals that have been motivated, inspired, and animated by al qaeda propaganda to engage in violence in hopes of furthering the al qaeda cause, but whom are not part of the al qaeda command and control. al qaeda existing and surviving because it has been as opportunistic as it has been. they continue to monitor, identify, and exploit gaps in our defenses. this has been one of the keys up al qaeda's success. we look at the al qaeda media arm for its output mission, the dissemination of propaganda. from its inception 22 years ago, it has had an important input capability that you mean tricky dick intelligence up its allies. let me give you-- that the main strategic intelligence of its allies. al qaeda regularly monitors congressional testimony and hearings, especially those hearings by the homeland security committee, the armed services committee, the judiciary co

they have included trained operatives like nazi bullets ozzie, key sleeper agents like david headley who changed his mind -- name from gillani motivated recruits like a somali americans are just described and faisal shahzad the times square palmer and then the panoply of lone wolf said hangers on like nidal hasan and four ex-convicts implicated in the bronx doubtless i would say the individual arrested yesterday in maryland plotting an attack against the military facilities. these are the self-selected self radicalized individuals that have been motivated, inspired and animated by al qaeda propaganda to engage in violence themselves in hopes of furthering al qaeda's cause if you who are not part of al qaeda's command and control apparatus. and finally, we see as a just described al qaeda existing and surviving because it has always had -- in opportunistic. this is a movement that asides been able to take advantage of opportunities simply by continuing to monitor, identify and exploit gaps in our defense. this has been one of the keys to al qaeda's success. we tend to look at al qaeda

>> there is -- yeah, the whole david headley story, the story of the american and wife and pakistani guy who acted as a reconnaissance for the mission. there were elements that have come to light about the pakistani side of the story since i made the film. i'm a freelancer so i will go on, i will retain an interest in all of the stories i do. but i can't put the kind of energy i do when i'm in production into stories left behind me. so it's a story i would love to return to. at the moment i don't have the key elements which would allow me to make another film about it. but, yeah, this is a story we'll keep on revealing layer after layer after layer. it will keep on getting richer and richer i think. >> you mentioned a documentary on haiti whfment will that run? >> that will be on channel 4 for pbs frontline and running on the anniversary of the haiti earthquake, january 12, 2011. >> how long was that? >> it sounds like science fiction, doesn't it in it will be an hour-long film. it's about -- it's an unusual angle on the haitian earthquake. my film is about the jail break, mass jailb

they have included trained operatives like nazi bullets ozzie, key sleeper agents like david headley who changed his mind -- name from gillani motivated recruits like a somali americans are just described and faisal shahzad the times square palmer and then the panoply of lone wolf said hangers on like nidal hasan and four ex-convicts implicated in the bronx doubtless i would say the individual arrested yesterday in maryland plotting an attack against the military facilities. these are the self-selected self radicalized individuals that have been motivated, inspired and animated by al qaeda propaganda to engage in violence themselves in hopes of furthering al qaeda's cause if you who are not part of al qaeda's command and control apparatus. and finally, we see as a just described al qaeda existing and surviving because it has always had -- in opportunistic. this is a movement that asides been able to take advantage of opportunities simply by continuing to monitor, identify and exploit gaps in our defense. this has been one of the keys to al qaeda's success. we tend to look at al qaeda

who would have known that the travel patterns to afghanistan, of david headley, were going to be -- thatpened before 9/11 were going to be relevant to a post 9/11 investigation? we wouldn't have. we might well have discarded that information. now we have a better sense that we can't know what the sanctions are going to be. so on that one little piece, i think i can say that the promise of data analytics is not meant by cutting back on sharing and that intake but is better met as a threat -- by ensuring that only the right people have access to the data and ensuring that people inside the system are monitored. one of the things people say about the internet is that everybody has lost their privacy on it. that is not necessarily true but if there is one set of people who should lose all of their privacy are systems users inside the u.s. government. i think i have done my 10 minutes. i'll pass it on. >> thanks a lot, paul. terry? >> thank you for hosting this. in washington, one flake turns into gridlock on the roads, as you all know. my path is to scuzz the legal parameters here, namely wh

who would have known, who would have known that the travel patterns to afghanistan of david headley, that happen before 9/11, we're going to be relevant to a post-9/11 investigation? we wouldn't have. and, indeed, with the wrong set of prisons we might well have discarded that information. now we have a much better sense that we can't know in advance what the necessary information will be. so on that, one little piece, i think i might diverge from my colleagues on the panel, and say that the promise of data aggregation and data analytics is not met i cutting back on sharing on data intake but is better met of the threats from wikileaks are better met by ensuring that the right, only the right people have access to the data. and ensuring that people inside the system are monitored. you know, one of the things people say about the internet, everyone has lost their privacy on. that's not necessarily true, but the one set of people who should lose all the privacy our systems users inside the u.s. government secret and top secret networks. with that, i think i have been like 10 minutes an