real tragedy but it can't affect our relations and it can't lead to the results of the intergovernmental committee and the investigation into the incident being politicized and if you were pretty useless. why did the government in spite of a tradition that has been going since soviet times admit that spies court were working for russia the incident made it clear to me that russia has no legal spine it working very few. do. anyone working for our special services is first and foremost a russian citizen they're not cannon fodder or heroes that the state is willing to sacrifice if the soviet union or perhaps even russia has not talked about them before then it was a mistake on the government's policy our main goal in that situation was to get our people who are out and we did that because as i said they were russian citizens i recently met with intelligence officers and i told them that we will continue doing the same thing in the future if anyone from the intelligence service be of the legal service or not or in a difficult position if these people defend our interests as for the service it can be d

this diplomacy and all of this intergovernmental stuff that we're talking about was that particularly in bosnia and through his work in the international rescue committeeather really believed in helping people and that through his efforts along with the clinton administration hundreds of thousands of people are alive today that might not otherwise be alive in bosnia and kosovo and i know, peter, you worked with him on that and had opportunity to talk to him about that. >> that's right. in fact, when he went to this concentration camp in which several thousand men were sleeping on the floors in the cold weather of dairy sheds with shaved heads, i mean it really was a scene that could have been out of world war ii. a man gave him a sculpture, a little piece of wood he had carved. and richard treasured that. he had it with him. he wrote an article in the "new york times" magazine about it and about the man and about what he had witnessed. there was a real sense of a real moral courting which -- as you know, in washington people are always playing the game who's on top and who's not? you know, he was resented for the number of times he was on television by