we want to check in with christina loren. it's cold out there again. >> yeah, you know what, that's a good question because i know a lot of ladies out there have been planning that new year's eve wardrobe quite some time. just make sure you have a nice heavy jacket to put over it before you head out and probably something to cover your head as well because we're expecting some showers later on. already temperatures in the 30s. give yourself extra time to get frost off your windshield. we have very little cloud cover overhead right now. all the daytime heat has escaped out into the atmosphere and so it's a chilly morning. this is the system that will bring us showers. as we head through 4:00 p.m. we'll see our first showers in the north bay. after that this is your new year's eve forecast. 9:00 p.m., 46 degrees. yeah, showers coming down right at midnight. by 3:00 a.m., 41 degrees. a cool, cool drive home and a slick drive home. just make sure you take it easy. we don't want anybody to get hurt out there tonight. >> it's 5:10

christina loren is here taking a look at the weather. >>> you on facebook? >> oh,y yeah. >> i will be adding you today. chilly, but you won't need the umbrella. 39 degrees in livermore. 44 degrees in hayward and 42 in oakland. if you are going to be headed from the east bay to the north bay, patchy dense fog on the way down to about a quarter of a mile of visibility. peaz degrees in dublin and 56 in livermore and looks like it will be warmer than yesterday. we are looking towards 58 degrees in concord. a winter storm on the way as we head to christmas saturday. keep your eyes on the sky tomorrow afternoon. windy conditions as well and clearing by sunday. back to you. >> thank you very much. a holiday shopping nightmare. armed thieves hit one of the south bay's most popular shopping malls. last minute travel tips for you. take a look at the strange creature at the mythical chupacabra. we are coming back on the other side of this break. >> this is pfc young. germ 1 germany. i love you, baby. mom, dad, jimmy, johnny, j mar, i love all you guys. what can i get y

. >> for loren cunninham, that vision took shape in 1960s. 50 years later those young people have reached the shores of every younperson on ear using evangelism, training, and mercy nistries. they have fanned out across the globe. >> i began to see god was gettingus to break norms and change the paradims of missions. we used to do the radicals. >> loren's wife played a role in the role. >> god has uniquely made different people. we were called to release young people into their destiny. >> christians didn't think missiories were anything but a westerner speakingto anyone but a -- that was not a missionary we asked god, who is a white womener, lord. he said anyone that i send to you. >> kenny and maria jackson teach and train at university of the nations. >> i am korean, ordinary woman. who am i? he encouraged me because you are korean, you can rise up and go to the ends of the eart that is harfor jesus. he isnot white. he is jewish r. born in brow skin. he understands us. >> there is room for all as they gather for over 100 nations inawaii. >> at the opening of the ceremony, i saw all the

we want to check in with meteorologist christina loren this morning.ailed the timing of that rain overnight and now has a look at our hour-by-hour forecast and what we can expect today. >> good rning to you. take a look at the monster storm that passed through the bay area bringing over 2 inches of rain to oakland, over 1.5 to san francisco and just under an inch to san jose in just about a 24-hour period. some light scattered showers are pushing south, mostly south of gilroy. as we head throughout the next few hours, we will clear by about 8:00 a.m. nice break from the rain. a new residual showers expected around noon in the north bay ano then the cold blast moves in. temperatures dropping into the 30s overnight. we'll let you know what that means for your forecast for the holiday weekend coming up. back to you guys. >> thanks a lot. >>> meantime, pg&e is looking into why more than 40,000 customers lost power. >> the outages happened last night up and down the peninsula. most of them were in daly city where about 37,000 people lost power. we just chec

pa. >> we want to check in with christina loren. we are in this drying out spell before the next round. >> a little dry pocket for today. for the first part of tomorrow as well. we have more rain on the way. we are expecting more precipitation for the next storm than the christmas day storm. with all the moist from your what we did pick up, reduced visibilities and if you are headed from the east bay to the north, take it easy. the next system is moving in and could see up to two inches on the valley floor before all is said and done. the bulk of moisture will come down from tomorrow night to early wednesday. sunshine and 57 for the beach and 57 today in pitsburg. looks like over the next couple of days, we will drop off and you have the frost on the windshield and even on the valley floor through friday and maybe our first dusting of mountain snow that looks likely in fact on saturday. we will talk more about that coming up. back to you. >> new this morning, wall street is under a blanket of snow. that will not stop investors from

right now, meteorologist christina loren joins me. congratulations, you really nailed the time of tuesday's rain storm. what's happening right now? >> laura, we have more rain. think it's going to start to really deteriorate as we h d through the next couple of hours, but there is still more rain pushing south toward southern california. if you're traveling there today, take it easy. right now most of the showers are clearing the area. just a few coming down along u.s. 101 between gilroy and morgan hill. clearing and those winds will start to subside as well. we'll talk about what's next to come, a cold blast on the way so stay tuned for that but how of all these flooded roadways affecting drivers this morning? >> you talk about the deteriorating rain, we already had a deteriorated mountain side. devil's slide one of your usual suspects. highway 1 is closed because of a mud and rock slide. expected to close until at least 10:00 a.m. north of that, pacifica, you're going to head over to sharp park and get your way over to 280. south of

christina loren is nearby. >> good morning to you.ons tonight and if santa is flying out of the south, that could help him get a tail wind. throughout tonight, you are going to be cautious if you travel by vehicle. we will see windy continues starting to pick up as early as this evening and picking up overnight tonight. howling wind through the mountain passes. keep that in mind if you will be doing traveling. right now temperature-wise is cool. you can bundle up in bed. 37 degrees in gilroy. we have light winds right now. this will all change by about 5:00 p.m. we will start to see the numbers really bump up. we are looking at 20 to 35 mile per hour winds sustained. gusting to 45 miles per hour at times. that will be ahead of the front. the front will pass through the course of tomorrow morning into tomorrow afternoon and evening. rainy conditions. maybe up to three inches in the north bay. we are looking more towards to two in the south and east bay. here's what you can expect for today. 60 degrees in san jose. 59 degrees in morgan

we want to start with meteorologist christina loren. you were right on when it came to the timing of the storm. what can we expect the rest of the day? >> we've got a little more moisture coming your way this morning. good morning to you. it looks like this is what you can expect as we head throughout the morning tuhours. we'll see precipitation coming down mostly in the south bay, but let's go ahead and zoom in and show you where the showers are taking place in the east bay this morning. we just had a little bit of rain come down in places like livermore, right now pushing south towards fremont and san jose. as we head through the next couple of hours, all the showers will start to clear, butur a co blast behind it could drop our temperatures into the 30s overnight. we'll talk about that coming up. back to you. >>> of course this is having an effect on your morning commute. mike has a look at some of the trouble spots. >> stick with me first of all and i'll give you notes about napa, sonoma county. reports of flooding up there, as well

christina loren has a look at a rainy day. it's starting to come down now. >> people are dodging a few showers this morning in the north bay. santa rosa just picked up precipitation right now and showers pushing fors fairfield. that will be the case throughout the morning. light scattered showers. heavy periods of rain by 5:00 pem tonight. we will probably have widespread heavy rainfall in the bay area by 10:00 p.m. it will be very active around here. the rain may wake up up. the whole thing clears up by wednesday. we will let you know what that means for mountain snow as well as freezing temperatures here in the bay area coming up. back to you. >> could make for a rough commute, but let's check as you head out the door. >> the hard thing to adjust to is the light commute. christmas to new year's has a light to early morning commute. things get more crowded on the roadway. this will be out of crock skpet if you are heading to vallejo, the connector ramp is closed for the morning they have can't start work until 7:30 when they

i'm meteorologist christina loren.ly clear skies, shaping up for the second half of your day. the sun will return, but it won't be back for long. we've got another round of storms to deal with, as we head into your christmas holiday. temperaturewise today, mostly in the upper 50s. another round of storms as of saturday into sunday. have a great thursday, bay area. >>> you might not have a white christmas in florida but a beachy forecast. that's not a bad trade-off, amy. >>> thanks so much. coming up next, a big pur surprise with expectant military moms. first, "today" on nbc. set your pace to island time. rich chocolate over creamy coconut. almond joy and mounds. enjoy more.

we start with meteorologist christina loren, she has a look at the last forecast of 2010 and the first forecast of 2011. >> oh, yes, and it's going to be a cold one. a cold forecast to ring in the new year. this morning you're probably going to find frost on your windshield in several cities. livermore, gilroy, santa cruz, also areas inland like oakland in the east bay this morning, just give yourself plenty of time to get that frost off your windshield. that will be the case until 10:00 a.m. then we have some changes on the way. satellite imagery shows you a perfect jetstream here. this is going to bring us in some moisture for your new year's celebrations. this is what it looks like, break down your evening for you. inland in the east bay, temperatures right around 49 degrees at 9:00 p.m. so you'll need that sweater or jacket tonight. by midnight 46 degrees. then 3:00 a.m., staying cool with showers all the way throughout the night. just bring that umbrella with you and stay dry out there. we've got your complete extended forecast coming up. back to you, brent. >>> well, the bay area

loren hall. david heller. randy with him,

. >> let's get started with christina loren with a look at the forecast.ld one. >> oh, yes. we will drop in temperature a little bit as we head to the next couple of hours. the winds are starting to relax a little bit. sustained winds at 60 miles per hour out of the northwest in places like novato. take it easy if you will be headed over the bridges. a frosty start and how warm will it be? not that warm. we will end up in the 40s. how long it will last? back to you. >> we have an update on news out of oakland. three people are dead after an overnight apartment fire. christie smith is live at the scene. she has the latest update and information for us. christie? >> i spoke with an officer from the oakland police department who is keeping people away from this scene. he confirms now that three people are dead as a result of this fire. two adults and a young female child. they were trapped in an apartment overnight. this fire broke out around 1:50 this morning. they were taken to highland hospital. the last word from a battalion chief is they were in very cri

let's get to the forecast with christina loren. >> there is some out there and it might creep up on you. take it easy in the north bay where it look like those cities are reporting about a quarter of a mile visibility and dense fog in areas of santa rosa. take it easy out there. always a good idea to turn off the radio so you can stay focused. we are down to about nine miles. wherever you are headed, that will be the case until about 10:00 a.m. we will go to the low 50s and looking towards the warmest day of the week. 58 degrees today in san jose. big time changes on the way for tomorrow. we will talk about a mean winter storm headed our way and what it means for the first mountain snow in santa cruz. stay tuned for that. back to you. >> we will check in with you. a live look at time square in new york. do you see any cars down the road except for down there at the top. it's quiet in time square. no bumper-to-bumper traffic, but that's because they are facing a huge storm blanketing the east coast and it doesn't appear to be coming down now, but they did get up to 18 inches. from new en

loren hall. david heller. randy with him, and john hanley from local 798. the firefighters, and dr. richard kenyon, who added one of our most important prongs' -- nutrition -- to the 10-year plan. that was truly innovative. [applause] so it is my great pleasure that so many members of the original 10-year plan are here. and of course, the federal homeless czar under george bush, who has now gotten project homeless connect in over 50 states, and i think it is over 230 cities in the united states along with the 10-year plan, was also a member of that original committee. we are here today -- and judith is going to help me -- this is one of the most incredible human beings, and she has been in charge for six years doing one hell of a job taking care of the four -- the poor. >> thank you. today, we are going to begin with a beginning and vacation. can i get an acknowledgment for the jewish relations community council and the consortium of jewish community groups that are here today? if you could please stand, let's give you a round of applause. >> good morning. are you all very comfortab

christina loren is here with a first look at the east bay forecast. >> good morning to you at home. we have showers pushing towards the east bay as we speak. light activity and nothing like later today. heavy rain on the way. in concord, look out for showers in the next 15 minutes. you will start to see the first showers this morning. take a look at what's coming our way. we have a potent storm that will slide south. could pick up to two inches of rain right here in the bay area. that's a short duration. flooding is possible. we will talk more about that. reduced visibility from the east bay to the north bay. the complete forecast is on the way. mike, you have a sinkhole to tell us about. >> this was in the area christina was telling us about. this was on the eastbound 80 causing that connector to be closed. it's a 12-foot sinkhole and they can't start construction until about 7:00 or 7:30. you take westbound highway 4 to 80. the shortcut is cutoff, but westbound is the main commute. both directions should be a light flow. we are expecting that all week. the sprinkles and the fog ch

want to check in with christina loren. you said it was going to be cold yesterday and it was bone chilling. >> even where we are used to the cold. we also have a wind chill factor that we are concerned with this morning as well. most areas winds are starting to calm down with a wind advisory situation over the bay bridges. the bay bridge and the golden gate are shaking up. you can see from the live picture and winds are calming down as we head through the next few hours. talk about what to expect for today. cold air into the area and we only end up in the 40s and frost on the windshield and livermore and concord and places in the

loren scott will be coming up in a moment. or are you shopping already? but you're leaving as soon as this is over? >> let's go. let's go right now. joining a very exclusive list while cal hosts berkeley for the first time in decades. they know who is coming sunday, while the raiders hope they know come kickoff on sunday. we're back in a moment. >>> good evening. it's an elite club in women's college basketball. 89 winds and vandervere becoming the coach to have that honor. mya moore had many rebounds. now gets ready to host both xavier and yukon at naples next week. in 32 years as head coach, vand vandevere spent eight years of those in first place. >>> tempers flaring tonight. going for career win 600. bringing cal within 3 seconds in the first half. cal pulls away with just enough three-pointers winning by 15. 73-53, the jayhawks take down the bears. they squeezed out about as much intrigue as one could from a 5-9 team. across the bay when the raiders host the colts this sunday at the coliseum, they'll probably know if they're still alive in the playof

founder says the cards are a great way to teach your children about investing, and financial expert loren abramson agrees. >> i think the whole idea of getting an early start on saving and investing is very worthwhile. >> reporter: but they both point out there are inherent risks. >> before putting any money to work, no matter how small, i think it's really important to understand the details and read the fine print. >> there's definitely a risk in anything that goes into the stock market. >> reporter: they say you should never invest money you aren't willing to lose. gold mine provides a savings account option as an alternative. >> you can share your goal. >> reporter: that way, friends and family can help your little ones reach their financial goal by adding to the investment each birthday and christmas. >> now they can save it up for college or some other thing that they think is important for them. >> reporter: expert stress you should not invest money you intend to use in the next five years. for short-term investment, consider money market, bonds or cds. on the consumer watch i'm ju

. >>> and loren scott here telling about the warriors. >> they need some wins. rockets in oakland. we saw former niners running back, and tweed visiting riley in the gm box. monat the ellis drops 44, and the warriors lead by four. call is karma. a team too thin in the middle. watch kevin martin take control. the sacramento king leading the rockets with 30. houston runs out of oakland with a 121-112 win. the warrior king may have actually played his last game. brett favre made a surprise return last night for monday night football. frigid conditions in minneapolis as the vikings hosting the bear, where the university of minnesota plays. favre playing as smooth as if it were in the metrodome shooting the first score. but favre's night would end shortly after. this sack, which led him to being knocked out of the game, might be it for brett favre. punting to david hester always dangerous. it helped the bears to a 40-14 win. >>> stanford head coach jim harbaugh, his wife sara gave birth to their second daughter, kathleen harbaugh. getting ready for virginia tech on j

. >> christina loren has the hour by hour forecast and it is a cold one. >> it is a cold one. hour by hour as we head through this afternoon eve at the hottest point of the day. it's not going to be that warm. we are looking to temperatures in the upper 40s for today. a cold blast pushed in as you hop out the front door. we have wind as well. northwest at about 15 miles per hour in novato and that could make for a tough commute. bay area bridges. san mateo and golden gate getting knocked around. we do have changes on the way. today's frosty start at 29 degrees in livermore. by this afternoon we warm into the 40s women wi. we will let you know how cold it will be. >> we have updates on developing stories are we following in the east bay. >> a fire killed three people. first marla tellez is live in oakland near the san leandro border where police shot and killed a woman a few hours ago. san leandro police opened fire, but the oakland police department will lead the investigation. >> reporter: good morning. that's right. this is a story involving both san leandro and oakland poli

and the dynamic between her and loren, very interesting.f people were wondering would there have been more to that relationship. >> i understand. i am going to delicately walk sideways. just to work with john malkovich which is another scenario and i wish we could take the show on the road and go every day with him. we read the same screen play and i didn't see that much humor in it. he is so talented and free and focused antigen rouse and would -- and generous and would rework to maximum potential. he worked in the iron mask so they were comrades from a previous experience. it worked out very well for everyone. >> well everyone was of course cheering. >> you can't want to see -- >> those are fine. we knew the races were going to be definitely something he can i will rating for the you had a -- he can i will rating for the you had a -- amazing for the audience but for all the emotions that went on and the miss understandings, my analogy was apollo 13 but i didn't want to miss a moment in how they were thinking and maneuvered the situation.

christina loren is joining me now with a look at the hour by hour forecast. good morning. >> welcome back. we certainly missed you. you good morning to you, bay area. if you are waking up in the north bay, you will a wade patchy fog. down to about a quarter of a mile in santa rosa and napa. overall looking good in the south and the east bay this morning as we head throughout the day. we will see the sunshine in redwood city and 8:00 a.m. temperatures in the 40s by noon and we will warm up to the 50s and it won't be that warm. looking to about 58 degrees and a big weather make or the way for us tomorrow. first a check of the commute with mike. >> good morning and thank you. you are talking about the fog. the low visibility in the north bay. the golden gate bridge, you will see why the fog is coming across. santa rosa and novato. a nice drive into the city. the bay bridge with the toll plaza. that shot blocked by low clouds in between san francisco and the bay bridge itself. we have a fog advisory, but no major issues. the light volume of traffic. hopefully a l

so why not help other people with it. >> reporter: frugal was the word pinned on loren kruger in lifegenerous is the way he'll be remembered. >> it's astounding what he did. >> reporter: there are still people who wouldn't give a nickel to live in leroy. but folks around here prefer to put their faith in the kind of person who would give everything. kare-11 news, leroy. >> if that doesn't put new the christmas spirit, i don't know what will. >> that's quite a legacy. makes you feel warm all over as you're looking at those cold pictu pictures. >> minnesota nights. i like that. still to come here on "today," diana's touch. how the late princess is influencing her son's wedding. >> plus the flying dutchman. we're going to meet the master maestro who is taking the classical music world by storm. >> good morning. here's a look at some of our top stories. in baltimore county several people are behind bars accused of ramming a stolen car into police cruisers. they noticed the car driving suspiciously. they followed the suspects to the high school. three suspects were arrested and no one was

checking the forecast with christina loren. good morning. >> good morning.heir travel plans in order by the time we hit tonight. that's when we are expecting to have gusty winds and rain. we will start up as of tomorrow last throughout the day. right now comfortable conditions and the sunshine for the first half of the day and increasing as a front pushes onshore, bringing about gusty winds as early as tonight. take you through the hour by hour forecast. temperatures bottom out in the upper 30s. 37 degrees. a chilly morning in santa rosa. 46 for concord and 47 in fremont. as we head through noon, looking towards the low to mid 50s. by this afternoon, probably between 4:00 and 5:00 when we hit the highs this time of year. 60 no, sir oakland and san jose with 60 degrees. 56 in gilroy. look at the sunset. 4:55 is when santa claus is coming to town. hope you have been good this year. back to you. >> thanks, christina. no charges have been filed against a south bay substitute accused of sexually assaulting his students. the county district attorney said there is

we're going to introduce you to meteorologist christina loren. she is joining us from miami. >> i'm happy to be home, california. definitely would choose california over florida any day. i'm a california girl, happy to be home, and joining one of the best teams i've ever had a chance to work with. >> so as of what, tomorrow? as of monday you will be full-time on the mornings. >> yes, indeed. and so rob, of course, is not going any wrchlt he's staying with kntv. you can catch him on the weekends. now we've got a really solid weather team. we get to start to mesh together and do the best forecasting in this area. >> are you used to the early morning hours? >> oh, i wouldn't have anything but the early morning hours. >> well, i'm not used to it and i've been doing it like seven years. >> we're so happy to have you here. >> thank you. >> welcome, welcome. don't forget bob redell as well coming up at the north pole. that's tomorrow. >> yeah, live. >> live from the north pole and he's freezing his you know what off. >> no, what? >>> thanks for joining us this morning. >> the "today

we especially need to reduce disparities in secondhand smoke protections for young children, loren, americans, blue-collar and service workers who are more heavily exposed. every american deserves a healthy environment. the second pillar of the plan is to engage the public to change social norms around tobacco use. currently, the u.s. cigarette manufacturers spend $12.5 billion a year. that is $34 million a day on marketing cigarettes to retain and recruit users, increased consumption, and generate favorable attitudes toward tobacco use. in this context, we neediest efforts that accurately convey the negative health effects to the public. in the most recent example, the fda has just proposed a series of new help warnings to appear on the cigarette packages and in advertising. these will be the first new warnings in 25 years. warnings will cover at the 50% of the front and back of every pack. a couple of graphic images depicting the negative consequences of smoking. nine images are will be coupled with a warning statements and will be required on all cigarette packs in the u.s. starting septem

loren thomas of the lexington institute has complained about this. i want to give this an opportunity to say at first can congress have integrity in this procurement process as it goes forward? >> senator, a couple weeks ago, we had an inadvertent disclosure that was a profound disappointment, considering the diligence that our program office and source selection team had demonstrated up to that point. what occurs -- if i may, sir, what occurred was the inadvertent release of a single page of nonproprietary data that involved our analysis of the efficiency of the offers proposals, but it did not, it did not include any offer of proposed prices. >> do you have any information that would indicate either competitor has acted inappreciately when they received the data that should not have been sent to them? >> both offers reacted in a responsible manner and returned the discs that are mistakingly forwarded to them, to the air force, and we have confirmed that by forensic evidence. >> thank you. admiral papp, you talked about some confusion in the law. al

time to get a check of the forecast with christina loren. christina? >> good morning.t this weekend is actually not as bad as it looks. for the most part, all the low clouds and fog have lifted above the north bay and this morning you can see from the san bruno cam, it won't be a problem for much longer. partly cloudy skies and clouds increasing. if you want the sunshine, get out there early. here's a look at the forecast. wins picking up tonight substantially and strong winds and rain throughout the day on christmas. hope you have a great day, everyone. ice breakers mints with icy-cool flavor crystals. ice breakers. stay cool. >>ar a series of holiday robberies is creating chaos. san jose and santa clara police are trying to track down a man armed with a rifle who tried to rob a shopper inside a store at the valley fair mall. he tried to steal a car and failed twice before robbing the nearby men's warehouse after carjacking a nissan altima behind the store. more local news in a half hour. the "today" show returns in less than a minute. >> good morning to you,bay area.

we especially need to reduce disparities in secondhand smoke protections for young children, loren, americans, blue-collar and service workers who are more heavily exposed. every american deserves a healthy environment. the second pillar of the plan is to engage the public to change social norms around tobacco use. currently, the u.s. cigarette manufacturers spend $12.5 billion a year. that is $34 million a day on marketing cigarettes to retain and recruit users, increased consumption, and generate favorable attitudes toward tobacco use. in this context, we neediest efforts that accurately convey the negative health effects to the public. in the most recent example, the fda has just proposed a series of new help warnings to appear on the cigarette packages and in advertising. these will be the first new warnings in 25 years. warnings will cover at the 50% of the front and back of every pack. a couple of graphic images depicting the negative consequences of smoking. nine images are will be coupled with a warning statements and will be required on all cigarette packs in the u.s. starting septem

we especially need to reduce disparities in secondhand smoke protections for young children, loren, americans, blue-collar and service workers who are more heavily exposed. every american deserves a healthy environment. the second pillar of the plan is to engage the public to change social norms around tobacco use. currently, the u.s. cigarette manufacturers spend $12.5 billion a year. that is $34 million a day on marketing cigarettes to retain and recruit users, increased consumption, and generate favorable attitudes toward tobacco use. in this context, we neediest efforts that accurately convey the negative health effects to the public. in the most recent example, the fda has just proposed a series of new help warnings to appear on the cigarette packages and in advertising. these will be the first new warnings in 25 years. warnings will cover at the 50% of the front and back of every pack. a couple of graphic images depicting the negative consequences of smoking. nine images are will be coupled with a warning statements and will be required on all cigarette packs in the u.s. starting septem

loren thomas of the lexington institute has complained about this. i want to give this an opportunity to say at first can congress have integrity in this procurement process as it goes forward? >> senator, a couple weeks ago, we had an inadvertent disclosure that was a profound disappointment, considering the diligence that our program office and source selection team had demonstrated up to that point. what occurs -- if i may, sir, what occurred was the inadvertent release of a single page of nonproprietary data that involved our analysis of the efficiency of the offers proposals, but it did not, it did not include any offer of proposed prices. >> do you have any information that would indicate either competitor has acted inappreciately when they received the data that should not have been sent to them? >> both offers reacted in a responsible manner and returned the discs that are mistakingly forwarded to them, to the air force, and we have confirmed that by forensic evidence. >> thank you. admiral papp, you talked about some confusion in the law. al