maybe not even in quetta anymore. where do you go for that deal that you're going to make? who are the leaders you're going to work with to get some guarantee and how do you do it without the pakistanis since most of the leaders are not in pakistan. >> rose: whether where do they think mullah omar is? >> he's thought to be either somewhere else in the tribal areas or in karachi. that's what we've heard because most of the quetta shura leadership has gone to karachi. but, you know, who knows? and... >> rose: went to karachi because? >> because they're worried about pressure in quetta from drones, from being hunted down, potentially maybe even by the pakistanis. >> rose: does petraeus have a different attitude about civilian casualties than mcchrystal did? mcchrystal made it a big point. >> right. i think petraeus feel it is same way. they both understand very well the liability of civilian casualties. >> i think there's a difference in tone. >> rose: i do, too, from a distance i do, obviously. >> petraeus has emphasize