nixon raising general eisenhower, and going after hadley stephens, and calling on everyone to release -- ike breaks his headphone. he knows exactly, ike, the instinctive politician, who spent a life time denying he was a politician, knew exactly what was being done to him. this is an amazing moment. >> guest: that's his brilliance, his genius that he could turn that defeat into victory by being able to see other people's weaknesses. >> host: would you by the fact that nixon was the last new deal president? >> guest: to some extent, i would. he did believe in health care reform. he did believe in many public -- major public initiatives. >> host: and was some of that accommodating himself to the prevailing political consensus? in other words, 20 years later, 25 years later, there's still -- america was still a new deal nation. george wilk said in 1980, they want to conserve the new deal. specifically social security. is nixon in effect like any good politicians accommodating himself to the prevailing consensus? >> guest: richard i would say it goes deeper than that. again what moved me