and i sure he came in contact with the gru people time, and that -- that particular 19791 unlike the ones from 85 and on he probably learned his lessons, the was a face-to-face meeting i am told. is that -- that's it? i will be glad to sign books and speak with anyone after the meeting. thank you very much for having me. [applause] >> on behalf of the cold war museum for coming tonight for the lecture i would like to present you with one of our patches and schappell pins. i want to say a few brief remarks and then we will line up for the signing. on november 18th, the cold war museum will be hosting a robert hanssen spy tour so if anybody would like to attend a can log on to www.spytour.com to find out more information. if anybody would like to find out more about the cold war museum our web site is www.coldwar.org. if you would like to get on our e-mail list we have a sign up sheet here or else you can send an e-mail to info@coldwar.org, and we will respond with questions and answers. thank you for attending. we appreciate your support. [applause] >> this program first aired in 2001

. >> andre, explain what gru is. >> yeah. the problem is, in fact, the fsb used a their powers and, they i -- and to -- [inaudible] not to obtain more responsibility but to avoid it. we have, as you know -- [inaudible] it started in 1999, it ended in 2009. but the fsb was responsible for the operation only for 31 months. it was -- [inaudible] interior minister and mostly to internal troops, and now internal troops are most active force. not only, for example -- [inaudible] and the appointment of -- [inaudible] changed nothing. he still thinks of internal troops are more effective force to deal with terrorists. so it was not the struggle between military intelligence, fsb and -- [inaudible] why is so important is because sometime, because now we have his news of -- [inaudible] he is physically responsible for situation, for whole situation, and he was given just the same people who said to be controlled by kadeerov. hard -- [inaudible] fsb carry out very good operations, yeah, they kill some people, they even detained one perm