i remember malcolm talking about polls where dick gregory and other entertainers more popular than him>> popular -- >> went down to birmingham to support dr. king. harry belafonte, the jay-z of his day marched with doctor king. today i'd have to march with jay-z. >> let me pick up with the institutions. one the critiques is it is no longer independent, it's been co-opted. >> in my church new york city politician speaks on sunday morning. there's churches that fling their door open if the mayor is running or governor is running, that he gets center stage. in our church, if they don't stay for the whole service, i won't even call their name. >> we are in a position to independently decide what political positions we will take, what political arrangements we will have. to me that speaks to the independence of the african-american church. >> everybody speaks to the power of black preachers. >> i'm going to be a cynic for a minute. >> that's why we have the professor on the panel. >> what we have to be very clear about the way many churches function. they don't cultivate a kind of democrati