the reason why collective bargaining for public and police was opposed by fdr, laguardia, and george meany -- none of them, i would say, is a republican. the reason is there is a complete imbalance when you have a public employee and a private employee. if you have a capitalist negotiating with a union, if he gives away the store he loses his shirt. you have a serious negotiation. if you've got a public union negotiating with the government, the negotiator on the other side of the table has none of his money invested, and in fact, the more lenient he is and more accommodating is to a union demand, the more likely is to be the beneficiary of the largess of the union at election time. that is why you have had these extraordinary union contracts where it is not the wages, it is the benefits. as we saw in wisconsin. they pay zero and to pensions and a quarter of what other people pay for health care. >> nina? >> a graduate of public school and the mother of a public school teacher. let me just say most public school teachers make, back -- by comparison police and firemen -- incredible little m

george meany, franklin dell no roosevelt, said it had no place in government.e now in a very big way. and i think a very cynical fashion, it tilts our politics. and so i think there are very serious problems with it. >> i would say it's not just about saving monday. the indiana experience says it's also about serving the public better. >> i want to move to presidential politics a little bit. the republican party, we'll twist your arm and we'll talk about that. somebody's been twisting your arm now clearly. i want to go to your comment about calling a truce on social issues. one thing that's happened with your comments, is that it's certainly made some folks pay attention. this week in iowa, you had a few critics about calling for a truce on social issues. take a listen. >> you know, some have suggested that we call a truce on the social and moral issues. i don't know about you, but i seem to remember ronald reagan fighting and winning the cold war, at the very time that he was restoring values and growing the economy. >> these moral issues that everyone says, o