harry belafonte, the jay-z of his day marched with doctor king.oday i'd have to march with jay-z. >> let me pick up with the institutions. one the critiques is it is no longer independent, it's been co-opted. >> in my church new york city politician speaks on sunday morning. there's churches that fling their door open if the mayor is running or governor is running, that he gets center stage. in our church, if they don't stay for the whole service, i won't even call their name. >> we are in a position to independently decide what political positions we will take, what political arrangements we will have. to me that speaks to the independence of the african-american church. >> everybody speaks to the power of black preachers. >> i'm going to be a cynic for a minute. >> that's why we have the professor on the panel. >> what we have to be very clear about the way many churches function. they don't cultivate a kind of democratic space for every day ordinary folk to engage in the kinds of exchanges for them to make intelligent decisions. >> that's true.

they had a gala reunion and program at the kennedy center with such luminaries at that time as harry belafonte and many others. it was a memorable occasion. sarget shriver, of course, was a great leader in many different areas and he didn't really much like, i met him in a reception line, i said it's great to meet arnold schwarzenegger's father-in-law he didn't want to be known as arnold schwarzenegger's father-in-law, he wanted to be known as the first an most dynamic director of the peace corps. he worked on special olympics a and variety of other good work he is did with his lifeful he all had our peace corps ex-pierces. i had the opportunity to serve in the neighboring country to ethiopia, somalia, a troubled place, it's a great experience though, and people ask about the peace corps and i always say that one of the things you have to remember about the peace corps is that you get a lot more out of it than you really give. you are serving other people, you are learning about another culture and at the same time you're learning about your own country and your own experience because of of th