people who have founded religious orders or congregations and joining their ranks is farther veto perown. thank you for being here today. >> thank you. >> and tell us about the religious order and tell us about your path and a brief thing about father veto perown. >> okay. well from early on, tom, i've had a call to prayer. but it wasn't until i had a back injury when i was 18 years old, i was playing football, and that back injury took away all of my athletic talents. and so i had to search -- or i forced to kind of move inside and find god. >> and if we could borrow on this st. ignatius period. that's where the 30 days came from. >> he also was injured and had to -- and that was when he also came to search for god. so that time was very significant. i remember at the time, i became very depressed and thought this was terrible, because i'd lost everything that i thought was so important for my life, which was athletic talent. but it, of course, changed the whole direction of my life so i began to really search for god. >> and from that despair, you found more. >> so much more. it led to