but as i moved to europe and then when i started working at unesco, well, there was subgroups of... ande... the group of caribbean and latin american people to discuss some issues. so there, both in the artistic communities of poets, of artists and everything, i encountered the fact that i participated to a larger thing than being mexican, but it was that we have so much in common and we shared so many experience. and so moments that i will always treasure is meeting the big artist, the chilean artist roberto matta. >> hinojosa: lucky you! >> he was like a mentor to a younger group of artists that had created a group, and just there and that is where i was starting to write about art and meeting artists like saul kaminer or... you know? there were a group of artists, poets, literary people, and that's when i define, "oh, i participate, belong, to a conversation that is latin american, and that we have so much in common." and then when i got to new york, and that's when i realize what an importance that that i had discovered, and that it was not as present in europe. in the united states