ben jealous, let me start with you.t do you think is the most important finding from this study, this report? >> our country is 5% of the world's people, 25% of the world's people in prison. and we have too many people in prison. and what's clear is that the policies that have put them there are failing us. we know that there are policies that can make us safer, that cost less, that are more effective, and the time has come for us to actually choose those policies, stop wasting money, stop wasting lives, and stop needlessly break up families. >> woodruff: and how do you know that there's a connection to education, that spending, which is one thing the report recommends, that it's smart to spend less on incarceration and more on education. how do you prove that? >> take it in two pieces. on the one hand we know, for instance, drug rehab, dollar for dollar, is seven times more effective for dealing with nonviolent drug addicts which are the bulk of people in prison than jail or prison. on the other hand, we also know that