abc news correspondent jonathan karl talked to congressman david schweikert and senator joe manchin. first, schweikert. >> are you concerned that we could see a government shutdown when there are only a few billion dollars -- >> it is possible. >> worth shutting it down for those few billion? >> it is time for our side to stop giving and it. >> you understand how it back congress looks? >> -- how bad congress looks? >> i understand, i am one of them. >> we went through this in 1996 with bill clinton as president and newt gingrich as speaker of the house. how did we get to this point again, evan? >> we never learned. most of the country does not want this to happen, but the voters and a district that elected the tea party people do want it to happen. that the book group of congressmen are under pressure from their voters to shut it down -- that little group of congressmen are under pressure from their borders to shut it down. >> colby? >> that is one-sided. the other side has pressure, the ideological side, the democrats who say we don't want riders in the bill. you have an ideologica