mr. coburn: would my colleague yield? mr. udall: i'm happy to yield. mr. coburn: i thank the senator for his cosponsorship and work on this amendment. i would like to put into the record -- i haven't had a chance to share this with you because i just got it. i have a breakdown from the i.r.s. of the 22 states that don't have any millionaires because they screen for it. and it's not millionaires. it's earning more than than $1 million a year. in other words, they are earning -- these are people who actually have income of greater than $1 million a year in terms of adjusted gross income. there's probably many more who have less than that. all we're screening is we're saying here's a cutoff, it's a legitimate cutoff. so there is 2 states -- 22 states that don't allow this right now in their process. i was wrong in my statement on the 600,000 to 800,000. the calculated cost of putting this in is $200,000 a year. for a very minimal cost, we're going to say $20 million a year, at minimum, and it's going to help not those who are already very comfortable but those

mr. tom coburn, and mr.ick durbin could sit down and work something out for america, but we will need to get behind them. host: we will leave it there. let me turn to tim reid and talk about the bush tax cuts. why has the gang of six done about that. what could happen to those? guest: they have not been specific about them, but they have been looking at letting the tax cuts expire, as they are due to do next year. politically, it is a difficult issue because we are fast- heading into an election season, and try to get anything in washington done is difficult, especially tax cuts. host: you touched on this with senate leadership and harry reid say in social security should not be a part of the negotiations. how about house republicans? how have they viewed the so- called gang of six? guest: well, many are fiercely opposed to an increase in revenues by closing tax breaks. they, obviously, would be more supportive of entitlement programs, but, again, the issue of tax is a very, very vexing one, particularly amo

mr. coburn: some real change has to happen and not enough change has happened yet. the government accountability office -- the government accounting office issued a report a month ago outlining massive duplication throughout our government. the first third of it. massive amounts of duplication. there's -- the question on the other side of should -- are these legitimate roles for the federal government? we're not even going to debate that. the fact is, they showed massive amounts of duplication in large areas across the government in things that we have multiple programs that do the exact same thing. and so we have an amendment that will save $5 billion this year if we'll just vote an amendment and say, let's cut $5 billion out of at least $50 billion to $100 billion that we know is there and let's do it this year and let's have the administration mandate that they have to do it. that's another $5 billion. well, in two amendments, we will have covered everything we will have cut with the c.r.'s. and the -- they're common sense, they match what the american people wan

mr. tom coburn is talking about is if you leave medicare of their long, and do not do anything, just keepg doctors whatever they ask for, you will have a problem, but if you have a universal plan, you will have control of costs. that is what the president has led us into. he sets up a straw man. you can knock a straw man down, but if you look of the affordable care act, the cbo says this is real. host: the phone numbers are on the bottom of our screen for our guest congressman jim mcdermott. we're talking about the gop 2012 plan which has been released. the big markup is today. our guest is serving in his 12th term. he is a medical doctor. he is a foreign service medical officer and served in the washington house and senate. he is somehow -- the ways and means committee. we will get your calls as soon as they start coming in for the congressman. here's a little bit of budget committee chairman paul ryan on the issue of medicare. >> in observance of the principle that government should reorients its promises without forcing people to reorganize their lives, the budget reforms will not affe

mr. chairman. >> before you head for the next hearing, dr. coburn and i were here when the presentation was not as good and the mood was not as good. not in the 1960's, but six years ago. but given that, cluster years ago. -- four years ago. room for improvement, there we go. that is what they say about me, in every aisle force near there is a pony. -- pile of horsemen here there is a money. >> maybe you can run for the center. then we will turn it over to the next panel. dr. groves, what is the census doing to ensure its plans for internet response options will succeed in 2020, given our experience from 2010? >> we're doing a variety of things. it is the watchword on this is integration. i believe that the internet operations we are using another sample surveys are relevant to internet usage in the 2020 decennial census. we want to learn lessons from those. secondly, the tricky thing for us this decade will be to do in the testing of the internet that will stay nimble on devices. the devices that will access the internet in 2020 will be multi fold.

mr. speaker, even republican senator tom coburn, who is nobody's idea of a pushover, has urged his party to drop the policy riders in order to avoid a shutdown. they should listen, mr. speaker. democrats have gone 70% of the way to republican's demands. that's a long way to go in terms of trying to reach a compromise. but republicans are demanding that they either get 100% of what they want or they'll shut down the government. democrats do not want to shut down the government. we know it would put our economy at risk. right when we've been making progress over the last few months. mr. speaker, the innocent victims of the shutdown are the american people and i share their outrage. >> is the gentlelady addressing the bill before us? that was my parliamentary inquiry. is this germane to the bill before us? the speaker pro tempore: the speaker reminds members they are to remain on the bill. mrs. capps: the resolution before us today is more of the same. it will hobble our efforts to create countless jobs and boost our economy. the resolution shut do you think the f.c.c.'s effort is not the wa

mr. chairman. i have to get to the next. >> i just want to say before you head for the next hearing, dr. coburnnd i were here when the presentation was not his good in the news is not his good. and not in the 60s, but six years ago -- not even that, four years ago. we want to make it better. we have room for improvement. there we go. what does he say about me? he says i'm one of those people in every pile of horse manure as a pony. it's one of many things he says about me. if i could come in maybe a couple questions for dr. groves. and then maybe one for mr. goldenkoff. maybe even one for mr. zinser and then we'll turn it over to her next panel. dr. groves, what is senses during to ensure that plans for internet response option will succeed in 2020 given our experience from 2010? >> well, we're doing a variety of things. it may be the watchword on this is integration. so i believe that the internet operations were using another sample surveys are relevant to internet usage in the 2020 decennial senses. we want to learn lessons from those. secondly, the tricky thing for us this decade will be to

mr. secretary? the president basically just gave the back of his hand to what republicans proposed. >> we've been talking actively to republicans throughout this process. we're going to continue to. i spoke to senator coburn on thursday, we sat with allan simpson and erskine bowles on thursday, and absolutely, we have to do this together. but i think, again, if you listen carefully and listen carefully to this debate now, you're seeing both sides say we need to do about $4 trillion in deficit reduction between, over a period of 10 to 12 years. we disagree on how we want to do it, but what we want to do now is, again, because the world is watching us, david, we want to find where we can agree -- and we can agree on the broad targets -- and make sure that we lock that in and that will give us a little bit of time to work out our disagreements -- >> but tax hikes won't hurt economic recovery? >> no, absolutely. the important thing for people to recognize about this, fixing our fiscal problem is going to require us doing tough things, things, again, that are going to touch all americans, but -- >> but to the point -- >> hold on one second on this. it's very important to understand this. but we can do this, we

coburn amendments 184 and 217 prior to their adoption, and all of the above occurring with no intervening action or debate. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection, so ordered. mr. reid: mr. president, i appreciate everyone's patience in regard to getting this consent agreement. none of these votes are going to be easy, but they're votes that are necessary. mr. president, i would also say in relation to the statement made by my friend from colorado -- i forgot who is the senior senator between the senator in the chair -- the junior senator from colorado, the statement that he made, we're doing our very best to work something out on the c.r. that will fund the government until the end of this fiscal year. as has been reported in the press, i had a meeting with the speaker tonight at 4:00. we're still negotiating in good faith. we're not that far apart. and hopefully we can work something out. it's something we should be able to do, and certainly we're trying. as we speak you our people are working on this. so i want everyone to know that the government is not going to be shut down -- yet. there's still air in the tire, at least we still have some miles to travel

mr. coburn: thank you, mr. president. this is a straightforward amendment that eliminates individuals who have adjusted gross incomes of greater than than $1 million per year from receiving unemployment benefits. last year, we had 2,383 people who received unemployment benefits and also had an income tax return that this adjusted gross incomes above $1 million. we had 40 that had adjusted gross incomes above $10 million per year. so it's a very straightforward amendment. i would hope that we would support it. mr. udall: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from colorado. mr. udall: mr. president, i'm pleased to join my friend from oklahoma in supporting this amendment. he laid out the case in the strongest terms possible. we're spending $100 million a year providing unemployment insurance for people who make over a million dollars a year. it doesn't make sense, it undercuts the integrity of the unemployment insurance program and we would save $100 million as has been mentioned. i ask all of you to join us in