carter said, i think amoco, i think to some degree elect american people size of the candidates and i don't think either one of us made any points on that deal. that was really true. the incident was one of many through the years when points were made, decisive points were made in a debate that had nothing to do with what was said by the candidates with their words. it was what they said with their body language. first debate, the first televised debate, kennedy nixon, 1960. it was nixon's appearance that lost that debate and won it for kennedy. those who listen to that on the radio thought nixon was the winner, but those on television did not think so. the 2000 debate in boston between al gore and george w. bush is another example. i moderated that when. that was the famous sign debate which showed gore, every time bush would answer a question, gore would grimace and sigh and all that sort of stuff. and the reaction shot, and it -- it didn't -- it showed gore in a way that the voters didn't like. and the polls, after that debate, before the debate, they were neck and neck. and after