angela henry stimson, the secretary of war, the secretary of navy and donovan said of intelligence service. and a lot of white house aides were thinking to themselves what are we doing here, running a farm team for the future presidential candidates? donovan wanted to be president at one point. frank knox had ran for president of the united states on the republican ticket. so the two men, you know, roosevelt like donovan, like his ideas but it was not a personal relationship. donovan never wanted to make it a personal relationship. >> douglas waller, thank you for a terrific presentation and quite clearly a terrific book. [applause] .. sheila bair comments on the debt ceiling. at kennecott a senate pro forma session of c-span2. fdic chairman sheila bair said if congress does not raise the debt ceiling it would be, quote, calamitous. the u.s. government reached the $14 trillion debt limit two weeks ago. she testified at a house financial services hearing on the financial crisis in 2008. this hearing is two hours. >> thank you, madam chair and chairman sheila bair, i want to welcome you. tha