chlorous liegeman -- chlorus character suspected there was something going on because her husband would come home with his clothing cleaner than when he went to work. this achingly sweet -- the sickeningly sweet that white type. they said why not get betty white? i guess that cannot find somebody sickeningly sweet enough. they called me and said, would you do the show, one shot? the nice thing was we did the show and jim byrnes and brooks who created the show, they came to me and said we had a couple of ideas for scripps. just hang in there, like to use you again. what a blessing. you can imagine how thrilling that was. tavis: and the rest, as they say, was history. >> the first year, i did not comment until the fourth year. by then it was a big hit. -- i did not comment until the fourth year. by then it was a big hit. we were sweating the ratings, would they get picked up or not. you cannot imagine that about the mary tyler moore show, but it was an uphill fight. tavis: you have thoughts about the way the television business has changed, back in the day? it would give shows an opportun