so feisal abdul rauf. >> the oldest religion first. well, i first went to jerusalem in 1978. my father, late father was a close friend of jim morgan, was invited by the institute to do a seminar which they had been conducting their every year. at a delicate time because the 1977 peace talks had just happened. my father, being an egyptian citizen. i used to -- he would often invite me to substitute for him, and i was young, 30 years old, 51 years old, anxious to, you know, take risks. i went to jerusalem for the first time. it felt like a pilgrimage. we believed and still believe that the invitation can be anything to my but the real divine intend behind anything that is happening, you don't know until we actually go there. in my soul i felt that it was constant. it was an important trip, a powerful chip. i had just come with my father took coverage in 1973. an important part of my spiritual journey. we went to bethlehem, the various religious sites. the church of the holy sepulchre. to walk the streets for you know jesus walked, that was something which does something to ones